Likewise, everyone else has the right to tell you you’re full of shit.
I am not condemning any philosophy, not even atheism. I am condemning your view that only you can possibly ever be correct, and anyone who disagrees with you is inherently dumb and evil. Even on matters where I agree with you completely, I find your delivery appalling.
You do realize that anyone on the other side of the debate can say exactly the same thing, and he would be just as wrong as you were? Who gave you and you alone the right to interpret the facts?
What do you mean? I have nothing against Der Trihs personally (except that his name is hard to spell. Trihs, thris, the get confused on my iPad.) so what exactly are you saying?
But objective reality needs to be interpreted to make sense. And no matter what you may think, your interpretation can be right or wrong, just like mine, or Obama’s, or Cecil Jacob’s, or anyone else in the world.
EDIT: (missed edit window) And as to your references to nazism or communism, I do condemn them. But when I do, I do not simply say “authoritarian communist societies are inherently evil and inferior to democratic capitalist societies”. Instead, I deliver a (hopefully) convincing argument about the virtues of capitalism and democracy, and the failings of communism. To clarify, I do not simply say “I am right by virtue of being me”, I make a coherent argument. All I ask is that you do the same, especially since I think that you do have good, valuable opinions to shnare.
Gosh, Guin, maybe this will be the post that gets through to him! Fingers crossed!!
On the other hand, my dim-witted friend, I’d never have to suffer seeing a DT post if certain other posters could refrain from quoting him.
Yes indeed, for instance I don’t give a shit about gay people’s sexuality, so why the hell can’t they stop bringing it forward ? Like, “Hello, I’m Mike and I’m gay”.
Do I fucking say “Hello, I’m Khaki and I’m straight” :rolleyes: ?
I think your first post makes sense =)
Oh my God, how original. Atheists are just the same as religious people. Not that I’d expect any more from someone so fucking stupid that they think “So Obama finally lets everyone see his birth certificate. Why the hell did he refuse to show it for this long? Who knows.”
And BTW, I have every right to to say all religions are inherently evil. I don’t say that and I don’t think that either, but I have every right to say it because we have a little thing called the Bill of Rights. Obama is hiding it, but if you look hard enough you might find a copy that someone can read to you.
Moron.
Perfect example of what I was talking about. Seriously? Did you even read what I posted? You criticize me for criticizing Obama. Well yes, I did that, but if you read my post, what I said was “things would have been easier if Obama released the birth certificate earlier, but there’s absolutely NO reason for people to demand that”. I don’t know how you turned that into “about time that damn bastard put that out there!”
And who the fuck said that he doesn’t have the right to say whatever he wants? I just said that he doesn’t have the EXCLUSIVE right to interpret facts
Before you go around insulting people, read the goddamn post, will ya? Then again, you just proved my point, so maybe I should be thanking you.
Oh, and as for your smug little comment about how I’m equating atheists with theists? That is not what I’m doing. I’m equating disrespectful atheist assholes with disrespectful religious assholes. And just for the record, if someone showed up in this thread and started smearing atheists, I’d defend atheists, too. This has nothing to do with my stance on the issue of religion, and everything to do with my stance on how to treat other people during a debate.
@Sapphirany: thanks!
@Khaki: I’m not really familiar with your posting style, but I’m assuming that was a whoosh?
You sound like a really good guy, Babale.
Therefore you don’t belong in this forum.
Seriously. There is so much intolerance and hatred and dishonesty aimed at anyone not toeing the party line around here that to feel like you do is just pissing in the wind. To paraphrase Don McLean, the Pit is not made for one as good as you.
(Now sit back and relax, and watch what kind of abuse that last line brings. ;))
Seeing as this place is the most tolerant place I’ve seen on the net, it must be nearly impossible.
Religion is dumb and evil. Blatantly so. Like it or not, not everything in the world is a matter of opinion; some arguments have a right and wrong side, and religion is the wrong side. And all the self righteous persecution fantasies in the world won’t make religion any less stupid. After all, that’s why you aren’t trying to defend religion but bashing me instead.
More nonsense. The people on the other side of the argument directly contradict reality. They deny known facts, deny logic, and make claims that have no basis in fact. I on the other hand am saying they should stop making up nonsense; I’m not the one whose entire worldview rests on denying reality. I’m not the one who has to say “Oh, but logic and the laws of physics just don’t count” to defend my opinions. There’s no equivalence between the sides.
As do I about religion, all the time.
And your own logic makes you a bigot; if condemning religion is bigoted, then so is condemning communism or Nazism.
It’s moot though. Birthers would dig into a pure bitmap and find clear evidence that the pixels were altered.
Once again, so’s your face.
It just works with everything. It’s pretty much the perfect insult.
Wow. From zero to nazi in five posts. This years model of Der Trihs is even faster than last years. Still got the same neck equipped airbag too.
A truly pathetic argument. My face doesn’t break physical law, nor does it kill people. All your argument does is underline what I’ve been saying; that religion is so blatantly stupid as to be indefensible, so instead you bash me to distract from that fact.
It’s a very straightforward argument. If condemning people for what they believe is bigoted, then disapproving of Nazism is bigoted. But if condemning people for Nazism isn’t bigoted, that is an admission that you can condemn people for their beliefs without being a bigot. Which is important, given how accusing people of being bigots for disapproving of their baseless and vicious beliefs has become a staple lie of the Right and the believers. It conveniently insulates them from all criticism, and they naturally are complete hypocrites who don’t hesitate to condemn other people for what they believe.
And complaining about people mentioning the Nazis is just an old, tired and dishonest method of deflecting arguments at this point; Godwin’s Law is long obsolete.
Yes, they should all be killed.
I cant defend religion because you haven’t made any arguments against it, you joist said “it’s dumb”. And when we ask you WHY, all you say is “is too!”.
Pretty much the only real argument you made is that it’s based on false facts. You say that theres no evidence; one could counter “the fact that the world exists is evidence of something that kicked off the creation of the universe. Of all the theories, religion makes sense to me”.
And I never attacked you. I attacked the way you argue because that’s what this thread is about, not religion; but I never attacked you personally.
It’s amazing how much stupidity you can put in such a short post.
Obama “released” what Hawaii gives everyone born in Hawaii: a certificate of live birth. The “birth certificate” is in a bound book in the state archives. Obama could not “release” it because he didn’t have it. Numerous people looked at the original and said “yup, it’s there”, but after years of morons like you being convinced by the research you do in the checkout line at the supermarkets, the President petitioned Hawaii (not him, jackass, he didn’t have it) to release a photocopy of the page in the book.
Should the President have asked Hawaii to do it sooner? Well look what good it actually did. The birthers are still not satisfied.
Now back to your post. There are people in this world that deserve to be called stupid. Among them are flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, holocaust deniers, moon hoaxers, birthers, and you.
No wonder **Starving Artist **likes you. You are a kindred “I’m supposed to actually remember the crap I said earlier?” spirit.
Isn’t that what Great Debates is for, discussing the issues? In the Pit, name-calling is acceptable and expected.
Hahahaha. You’ve never read a GD thread in your life.