# Holy Fuck, Illuminatiprimus! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2008, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100 "2008-11-17T05:49:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/81 "2008-11-19T22:35:13Z")
> [@Illuminatiprimus](#): > > As for your comments to **wolfstu** you’re not doing much to improve my estimation of you (and I’m sure I’m not alone either). By your reasoning all the black people who lived in the US pre-abolition should have just left the country as the law wasn’t there for their convenience, and slavery is a perfectly acceptable consequence of being black because that’s what the law says. Good thing I’m not trying to improve your estimation of me. OK, stay with me here. I’ll spell it out yet again. Let me know where you get lost so I can try to dumb it down further, m’kay? Slavery=bad. Escaping slavery=hard/impossible/bad. Serving while closeted=not as bad as slavery. Escaping gay service=easy/minor inconvenience. Freedom from slavery= inalienable right. Service opportunity= not even close to inalienable right. Got it? ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/82 "2008-11-19T22:40:26Z")
Freedom not to be discriminated against based on sexuality - inalienable right. No? Oh, of course, I forgot that I was conversing with someone living in the medieval period. This really is a waste of my time. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/83 "2008-11-19T23:07:33Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > What would bother me would be “That man right there is confirmed, undeniably gay [because he said so] and he’s showering/sleeping/bunking with me.” That’s because you’re a fucking homophobe, you fucking homophobe. ---
**Author:** ![mischievous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mischievous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mischievous)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/84 "2008-11-19T23:51:41Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Slavery=bad. Escaping slavery=hard/impossible/bad. > Serving while closeted=not as bad as slavery. Escaping gay service=easy/minor inconvenience. > Freedom from slavery= inalienable right. Service opportunity= not even close to inalienable right. > > Got it? What you’ve failed to do is explain why YOU should be in the service, with your delicate sensibilities, rather than a gay man who is mature enough not to care. -or- Slavery = extremely bad, in all ways. Serving while closeted = major bad, has serious impact on life. No gays serving at all = medium bad, has serious impact on army. Getting glanced at in the shower = eeny-weeny bad, has transient impact on a very few individuals who should be told to grow up. Doesn’t really belong on this list. Does that make it clearer for you? ---
**Author:** ![Mellivora\_capensis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mellivora\_capensis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mellivora_capensis)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/85 "2008-11-20T08:07:30Z")
> [@wolfstu](#): > > Just to confirm that this is true: I’m with the Canadian Armed Forces… Thanks for the response, and for your very enlightening posts. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/86 "2008-11-20T08:47:31Z")
Not wanting to shower with gay men, is pretty much textbook homophobia. The thing is, if you’re not a dick about it, then who cares? So you have a preference. Your preference is homophobic. So what? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100/87 "2008-11-20T08:49:17Z")
> [@Chessic\_Sense](#): > > Not fair. It isn’t reasonably possible for my mother to be attracted to me. Even if she could, she hasn’t seen me naked since I was 10. I don’t plan for her ever to see me naked again. A 7 would be a backrub or something. High-fiving and lunch are 1.5s. Beach is a 2. Carpooling is a 1. Manly hugs are a 4. More serious hugs are a 5. One of the best Massage Therapists I’ve ever received a massage from is a gay man. It was fabulous. You should go for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-fuck-illuminatiprimus/473100.md?page=4)