# Holy Grail **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [July 27, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012 "2016-07-27T08:55:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![toefungus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b487fb/32.png) [@toefungus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toefungus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/1 "2016-07-27T08:55:37Z")
Rubbish. The Holy Grail is here in the Cathedral of Valencia, Spain. I’ve seen it many times. [http://www.catedraldevalencia.es/en/el-santo-caliz\_historia.php](http://www.catedraldevalencia.es/en/el-santo-caliz_historia.php) It’s recognized by the Vatican, etc., and has over 1000 years of documentation to back up the claim. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/2 "2016-07-27T10:29:32Z")
What good is 1000 years of documentation for a 2000-year-old artifact? ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/3 "2016-07-27T10:39:53Z")
It’s always a good idea to post a link to Cecil’s column so everyone can follow along. [What is the Holy Grail](http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2444/what-is-the-holy-grail). ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/4 "2016-07-27T13:12:16Z")
How odd … In the OP’s cite “The Gospels says that Jesus celebrated the Easter rite in a decorated room, furniture with divans _(Mark 14, 15)._” EASTER ?!? … Jesus wasn’t quite dead yet … I think we’re going to need a more credible citation for this claim … one that knows the difference between Passover and Easter. “This is the conclusion of Professor Antonio Beltrán, published in 1960 under the name of “El Santo Cáliz de la Catedral de Valencia” (_“The Holy Chalice of the Valencia Cathedral”_). It was never refuted and is the base of the increasing respect and knowledge of the Holy Chalice.” Indiana Jones said it was a wooden cup fit for a carpenter, that’s _never_ been refuted either. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/5 "2016-07-27T14:49:30Z")
> [@toefungus](#): > > Rubbish. > > The Holy Grail is here in the Cathedral of Valencia, Spain. I’ve seen it many times. > > [http://www.catedraldevalencia.es/en/el-santo-caliz\_historia.php](http://www.catedraldevalencia.es/en/el-santo-caliz_historia.php) > It’s recognized by the Vatican, etc., and has over 1000 years of documentation to back up the claim. [Lancelot] He says they’ve already got one. [/Lancelot] ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/6 "2016-07-27T15:31:44Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > [Lancelot] He says they’ve already got one. [/Lancelot] It’s very nice! ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/7 "2016-07-27T15:42:57Z")
It’s only a model. [shush!] ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/8 "2016-07-27T16:09:57Z")
Now I remember my smart-ass comment … “You might as well search … for Frodo’s magic ring.” Strictly speaking, it was Sauron’s magic ring … ---
**Author:** ![Canadjun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Canadjun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Canadjun)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/9 "2016-07-27T16:45:25Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Now I remember my smart-ass comment … > > “You might as well search … for Frodo’s magic ring.” > > Strictly speaking, it was Sauron’s magic ring … I seem to recall someone saying "Possession is nine tenths of the law’ ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/10 "2016-07-27T16:48:40Z")
Dear old Catholicism, it never changes! Martin Luther listed some of the relics on display in churches in the 16th century, including: a flame from the Burning Bush the banner with which Chriat harried Hell a wisp of Beelzebub’s beard, which had stuck to said banner half a feather of St Gabriel the Archangel the foreskin of Jesus ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/11 "2016-07-27T17:19:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Martin Luther listed some of the relics on display in churches in the 16th century, including: Per anecdote he once expressed how miraculous it was that 18 of the 12 apostles were buried in Germany. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/12 "2016-07-27T17:24:39Z")
_pfft_ all those phony grails floating around. The real one is stored in my liquor cabinet. You haven’t truly lived until you’ve been made immortal by drinking a nice Macallan 25 out of it… ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/13 "2016-07-27T17:31:42Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Now I remember my smart-ass comment … > > “You might as well search … for Frodo’s magic ring.” > > Strictly speaking, it was Sauron’s magic ring … Again with those old debunked accusations… ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/14 "2016-07-27T17:36:08Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > _pfft_ all those phony grails floating around. > > The real one is stored in my liquor cabinet. > > You haven’t truly lived until you’ve been made immortal by drinking a nice Macallan 25 out of it… Freaking alcoholic Scotsmen! You need to ask yourself, “what would Jesus do?” And the answer is, Jesus would drink wine out of it, probably a nice mellow Cabernet. The scotch he would keep on hand in case he was ever having an exceptionally bad day, and then he’s swig it directly out of the bottle. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/15 "2016-07-27T17:36:31Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Dear old Catholicism, it never changes! > > Martin Luther listed some of the relics on display in churches in the 16th century, including: > > the foreskin of Jesus Still is. Saw it in Paris in 1990. Or at least the reliquary that claimed to house it. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/16 "2016-07-27T17:43:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Freaking alcoholic Scotsmen! You need to ask yourself, “what would Jesus do?” And the answer is, Jesus would drink wine out of it, probably a nice mellow Cabernet. The scotch he would keep on hand in case he was ever having an exceptionally bad day, and then he’s swig it directly out of the bottle. Jesus would fill it at the kitchen tap and still be drinking wine out of it. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/17 "2016-07-27T18:15:41Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Jesus would fill it at the kitchen tap and still be drinking wine out of it. 😉 If he could fill it with a nice Macallan 25 he wouldn’t be the _son_ of God-he’d be his dad. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/18 "2016-07-27T18:25:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > If he could fill it with a nice Macallan 25 he wouldn’t be the _son_ of God-he’d be his dad. This trinity thing is confusing. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/19 "2016-07-27T18:31:44Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > This trinity thing is confusing. Why else do you think they call it the _Holy Spirit_? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012/20 "2016-07-27T18:32:24Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Freaking alcoholic Scotsmen! You need to ask yourself, “what would Jesus do?” And the answer is, Jesus would drink wine out of it, probably a nice mellow Cabernet. The scotch he would keep on hand in case he was ever having an exceptionally bad day, and then he’s swig it directly out of the bottle. Life is a Cabernet… [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-grail/761012.md?page=2)