# Holy shit, DeVos was confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266 "2017-02-07T19:35:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/341 "2017-02-28T16:50:11Z")
This is the kind of stuff you would expect from Betsy devoe’s, but not necessarily the Secretary of Education. > [@](#): > > She said: > “Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) … started from the fact that there were too many students in America who did not have equal access to education. They saw that the system wasn’t working, that there was an absence of opportunity, so they took it upon themselves to provide the solution. > > “HBCUs are real pioneers when it comes to school choice. They are living proof that when more options are provided to students, they are afforded greater access and greater quality. Their success has shown that more options help students flourish.” > [Education Secretary DeVos makes the wrong case for 'school choice'](http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/education-secretary-devos-makes-the-wrong-case-school-choice) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/342 "2017-02-28T20:55:52Z")
The sheer pig-ignorance, the ahistorical views, of this privately-schooled idiot is one of the strongest arguments in favor of compulsory public education I’ve ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2017, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/343 "2017-02-28T22:34:05Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The sheer pig-ignorance, the ahistorical views, of this privately-schooled idiot is one of the strongest arguments in favor of compulsory public education I’ve ever encountered. I’m sure she believes slave quarters are proof African Americans can provide themselves with affordable housing. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/344 "2017-03-01T13:23:19Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > The sheer pig-ignorance, the ahistorical views, of this privately-schooled idiot is one of the strongest arguments in favor of compulsory public education I’ve ever encountered. Well the free market would have forced Harvard and Yale to accept black students because capitalism. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2017, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/345 "2017-03-01T13:38:07Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > I’m sure she believes slave quarters are proof African Americans can provide themselves with affordable housing. See! When you’re living in poverty, you don’t need big government to step in with their red tape and bureaucracy! The market will provide! ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2017, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/346 "2017-06-24T00:48:50Z")
This guy must know a lot about student loans, > [@](#): > > \*\*Betsy DeVos Picked A Student Loan CEO To Run The Student Loan System > > A. Wayne Johnson runs a company that originates and refinances private student loans, but that wasn’t mentioned when the Education Department announced his new gig. > \*\* > Trump administration announced its pick to run the $1.3 trillion federal student loan system on Tuesday, there was one notable thing about the candidate that wasn’t mentioned in the press release: He’s the CEO of a private student loan company. > > The Education Department’s statement described A. Wayne Johnson as the “Founder, Chairman and former CEO” of a payments technology company called First Performance Corporation. It noted his PhD in education leadership, and Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, citing his dissertation, said he “actually wrote the book on student loan debt.” > > But what wasn’t noted was Johnson is currently the CEO of Reunion Student Loan Services, a detail confirmed by a company representative reached by phone on Tuesday afternoon. Reunion originates and services private student loans, and offers refinancing and consolidation for existing loans. > **[Betsy DeVos Picked A Student Loan CEO To Run The Student Loan System](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mollyhensleyclancy/betsy-devos-picked-a-student-loan-ceo-to-manage-your)** > > A. Wayne Johnson runs a company that originates and refinances private student loans, but that wasn't mentioned when the Education Department announced his new gig. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/347 "2018-03-12T14:53:23Z")
she was on 60 Minutes last night talking about how taking money away from schools will make them better. > **[Betsy DeVos tries to explain why money should be taken away from schools |...](https://boingboing.net/2018/03/12/betsy-devos-tries-to-explain-w.html)** > > Education Secretary Betsy DeVos, whose life’s work is to take funds out of public education and give it to private religious charter schools, struggled to explain her philosophy on 60 Minutes… ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/348 "2018-03-12T17:25:30Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > she was on 60 Minutes last night talking about how taking money away from schools will make them better. > > [Https://boingboing.net/2018/03/12/betsy-devos-tries-to-explain-w.html](Https://boingboing.net/2018/03/12/betsy-devos-tries-to-explain-w.html) The best part was, Stahl basically asked her, ‘you already tried that in Michigan, did it work?’ and wouldn’t let her tap-dance away from the question. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/349 "2018-03-12T17:56:33Z")
This is what you get when Cabinet positions are sold to the highest bidder. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/350 "2018-03-12T18:19:40Z")
“Did it work?” I have more of an answer than Betsy did: No. The DeVos family has been boldly and proudly pumping millions of dollars into the pockets of Michigan’s Republican politicians for 20 years now. With the expressed intent of implementing the DeVos family’s pet project: Private/charter schools taking over Michigan’s education system. They’ve largely been successful in expanding unregulated charters and commandeering public money for private education. They’ve also succeeded in tanking Michigan’s performance nationally when it comes to education. Michigan’s now a [bottom-10 state](http://www.aecf.org/m/resourcedoc/aecf-the2016kidscountdatabook-2016.pdf#page=27). Before the DeVos money corrupted our education system, 4th graders scored higher than the national average in math and reading. But then, over 20 years, we dropped. And dropped. And dropped. We’re now we’ll below the national average, which I suppose goes without saying when you’re a bottom-10 state. Diverting money from public schools into privates and charters doesn’t work Betsy. Except to make you and your friends richer. Just look at Michigan, where we are expected to go from a 41st-ranked system to 48th by 2030 (according to Education Trust-MidWest). From the [Detroit Free Press](https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2016/05/18/michigan-students-sliding-toward-bottom/84535876/) (and this story is two years old; it’s gotten worse across the board since then): > [@](#): > > Among the 2015 NAEP results highlighted in the report: > > • Michigan ranked 41st in fourth-grade reading, down from 28th in 2003. > > • The state ranked 42nd in fourth-grade math, down from 27 in 2003. > > • It ranked 31st in eighth-grade reading, down from 27th in 2003. > > • It ranked 38th in eight-grade math, down from 34th. And race, wealth and location matter not a whit. It sucks across the state from Detroit to Grand Rapids to Bloomfield Hills to Flint to the U.P. to rural bumfuck whiteville. Charter, private and public. It sucks, they all suck, and it’s getting worse. But, yes Betsy, you fucking shitbird, tell us how wonderful education is in Michigan. Oh, that’s right, you can’t. Because it’s fucking not. You grinning, lying, ass-sucking fucking shitbird. Your family has spent millions upon millions to reform the education system in Michigan into your unholy image. Stupid, and getting stupider by the breath. You are a twisted, wretched ungodly piece of filth, unfit to call yourself an education leader. But it doesn’t matter because no matter how much you fail, no matter how much you fuck up the education system in Michigan (and the U.S.), you get to go home to your [obscenely decadent home in Amway’s backyard](http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/dick-devos-home/view/google/). And maybe spend a week or two every summer at your [22,000 sq ft cottage on Lake Michigan.](http://www.priceypads.com/betsy-devos-palatial-22000-sq-ft-michigan-summer-house-is-making-headlines-for-all-the-wrong-reasons-photos/#) So even when the rest of us all fail, you can say “Welp, we tried our best, oh well. Liberals ruined if for everyone,” you will still somehow come out the big winner. You fucking twat barnacle. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/351 "2018-03-12T19:04:34Z")
Blackwater Betsy, the MILF of my dreams…baby let me in on your pyramid schemes ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/352 "2018-03-12T19:10:10Z")
Detroit Free Press opinion column on the interview last night. > **[Betsy DeVos crashes, burns in '60 Minutes' interview with Lesley Stahl |Kaffer](https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2018/03/12/kaffer-betsy-devos-folks-u-s-ed-sec-crashes-burns-60-minutes/416862002/)** > > In which the Trump administration's top education official displays the same insight that's guided education reform in Michigan for the last 30 years ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/353 "2018-03-12T20:47:36Z")
I saw the _60 Minutes_ interview. I’d give her a D. She gets credit for showing up, but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/354 "2018-03-12T20:56:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I saw the _60 Minutes_ interview. I’d give her a D. She gets credit for showing up, but that’s about it. She should get credit for complete lack of self awareness. I’d be too embarrassed to show my face in public again. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/355 "2018-03-12T21:03:55Z")
Isn’t a complete lack of self awareness a prerequisite to be a Trumpeteer? ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/356 "2018-03-13T18:11:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I saw the _60 Minutes_ interview. I’d give her a D. She gets credit for showing up, but that’s about it. Agreed. I saw a person who is never challenged. As a result she cannot respond well when she someone asks difficult questions. Truly a person living in a bubble. Not cool with a person holding public office. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/357 "2018-03-13T18:14:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I saw the _60 Minutes_ interview. I’d give her a D. She gets credit for showing up, but that’s about it. In her defense there haven’t been any grizzly bear attacks on schools during her administration. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/358 "2018-03-13T19:27:46Z")
> [@BigAppleBucky](#): > > In her defense there haven’t been any grizzly bear attacks on schools during her administration. Bears have been frightened off by all the gunfire. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Kyrie\_Eleison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kyrie_eleison/32/7682_2.png) [@Kyrie\_Eleison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyrie_Eleison)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/359 "2018-03-13T20:46:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > We’re now we’ll below the national average, which I suppose goes without saying when you’re a bottom-10 state. I suppose it goes without saying at first, but if you all keep on your current trajectory in math education, it becomes necessary again. ---
**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2019, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/360 "2019-03-26T23:31:15Z")
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