# Holy shit, DeVos was confirmed **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2017, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266 "2017-02-07T19:35:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/41 "2017-02-07T21:23:00Z")
> [@PatriotX](#): > > When that was written into the Constitution, the “spirit” of it was that the person who ran against the PotUS in the election would be the one who headed the Senate. More basic than that seeing how when the Constitution was written candidates didn’t run for election. The VP would have simple been the second-best person for the job. I think Collins and Murkowski should be given tons of credit for voting against her. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/42 "2017-02-07T21:25:20Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > Donald Trump is a man with a plan, and we are now in the process of carrying out that wonderful plan, and any Democrats in the way will simply be ignored, because they are all irrelevant now. Wow, the evil, it burns. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/43 "2017-02-07T21:27:06Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > I’m a registered Republican but couldn’t vote Trump in good **conscious**. I blame the public school system. ---
**Author:** ![Trancephalic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trancephalic/32/380_2.png) [@Trancephalic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trancephalic)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/44 "2017-02-07T21:27:51Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Wow, the evil, it burns. Well, what do you expect from two ghost monsters? Now where did I put my Power Pellet…? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/45 "2017-02-07T21:28:09Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > I’m not convinced the VP should constitutionally be able to break a tie on a position requiring Senate approval. It just seems outside the spirit of things. If he wasn’t able to do that, there would have been only one Republican voting against DeVos. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/46 "2017-02-07T21:29:40Z")
I can see it now: Instead of school kids roaming the neighborhoods hawking candy bars for fundraising, they’ll be signing up IBO’s for their Downline, pushing tapes, CD’s and DVD’s to help “build your business”. ---
**Author:** ![Blinkyandpinky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ad7895/32.png) [@Blinkyandpinky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blinkyandpinky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/47 "2017-02-07T21:29:49Z")
> [@Rick\_Sanchez](#): > > You can’t possibly believe this. Trump’s [approval rating](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/02/06/its-not-unusual-that-trumps-approval-ratings-sagged-its-unusual-that-theyre-this-low/?utm_term=.469a81358af0) is remarkably low for a President allegedly in his “Honeymoon period”. If he carries on like this it’ll be less than 2 years before the Democrats regain control of Congress. What a shock, the same people and unhinged lunatics that were against him during the election are the same unhinged lunatics (perhaps even more unhinged and batshit crazy) that are against him now. Liberals, RINOs and Nevertrumpers do not have to like Donald Trump. Donald Trump does not need their support. And any polls coming from the fraudulent MSM are not be trusted anyway. That’s fairly obvious. We all know how accurate they were during the election. Their credibility has evaporated. And good luck with 2018, but I’m calling it here right now, the Democrats don’t stand a chance. They’re simply too stupid and unhinged to win. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/48 "2017-02-07T21:31:16Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Does this mean that the elected Democrat’s actually do have the votes they needed to prevent DeVos’s confirmation? It doesn’t appear to me that they have the votes to deny the confirmation. > > The Democrat Party just can’t lose for all the winning they’ve been doing. :rolleyes: You are correct that there are not enough d votes to prevent someone who is absolutely unqualified for the position from taking it. One would have hoped that the republicans would have at least 3 rational members who could put the future of the country above momentary gains for their party. The doorhinge manifesto: If you can do something stupid, do something stupid. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/49 "2017-02-07T21:34:42Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > If he wasn’t able to do that, there would have been only one Republican voting against DeVos. And I’d be fine with that, no matter what I think about DeVos or any other nominee. I didn’t even say that Pence did anything wrong morally or legally or that DeVos’ appointment should be legally challenged. Just that the VP breaking a tie on a nominee seems to be against the spirit of that check on the President, and I’d say that no matter who was in office. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/50 "2017-02-07T21:36:00Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > My goodness you’re an angry, bitter little fuck. Projection? Where’s the anger in his post? He was educating someone who wasn’t convinced. As if the state is concerned about one random poster’s opinion on constitutionality. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/51 "2017-02-07T21:36:08Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Someone’s a little full of themselves today. And oddly angry at life. Lighten up Francis, your guy’s still in charge. I asked you to stop hitting on me. Creeper. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/52 "2017-02-07T21:36:12Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > And I’d be fine with that, no matter what I think about DeVos or any other nominee. I didn’t even say that Pence did anything wrong morally or legally or that DeVos’ appointment should be legally challenged. Just that the VP breaking a tie on a nominee seems to be against the spirit of that check on the President, and I’d say that no matter who was in office. Well I see that argument in principle, but it really doesn’t apply to today’s vote, since the “2 Republicans voting against” was just theater. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/53 "2017-02-07T21:38:29Z")
> [@Blinkyandpinky](#): > > What a shock, the same people and unhinged lunatics that were against him during the election are the same unhinged lunatics (perhaps even more unhinged and batshit crazy) that are against him now. > > Liberals, RINOs and Nevertrumpers do not have to like Donald Trump. Donald Trump does not need their support. > > And any polls coming from the fraudulent MSM are not be trusted anyway. That’s fairly obvious. We all know how accurate they were during the election. Their credibility has evaporated. > > And good luck with 2018, but I’m calling it here right now, the Democrats don’t stand a chance. They’re simply too stupid and unhinged to win. Wow, you’re not only colossally stupid, but delusional as well. Enjoy this shit while you can. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/54 "2017-02-07T21:41:10Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > You are correct that there are not enough d votes to prevent someone who is absolutely unqualified for the position from taking it. > > One would have hoped that the republicans would have at least 3 rational members who could put the future of the country above momentary gains for their party. > > The doorhinge manifesto: If you can do something stupid, do something stupid. I couldn’t help but notice that the Democrat Party lost the seats they needed in the U.S. Senate to prevent a DeVos’s confirmation. The Democrat collective see this as the Republican’s fault. I see this as Democrat collective continuing the very same stupid tactics that cost them control of both houses of the U.S. Congress. Keep up the good work. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/55 "2017-02-07T21:47:20Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Well I see that argument in principle, but it really doesn’t apply to today’s vote, since the “2 Republicans voting against” was just theater. I agree. I have no proof, but still… ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/56 "2017-02-07T21:52:47Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Probably the most ignorant, useless, worthless cabinet nominee ever Until we see her work it’s a toss-up between her and James G. Watt; he of the Jesus-is-coming-who-cares-about-nature school of EPA management. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/57 "2017-02-07T22:04:33Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I couldn’t help but notice that the Democrat Party lost the seats they needed in the U.S. Senate to prevent a DeVos’s confirmation. Yes, there were some disappointing results due to voter apathy and indifference. > [@](#): > > The Democrat collective see this as the Republican’s fault. I see this as Democrat collective continuing the very same stupid tactics that cost them control of both houses of the U.S. Congress. Keep up the good work. Who is this democrat collective you talk about? I am pretty sure that no party called the democrat collective has ever held a seat, much less control, are you sure you are properly vetting your sources? In any case, this is in fact the fault of the voters who were emotionally manipulated to either stay home or to vote for the party that would let you die in the street, and the only notice they would take of you is to complain that it is inconvenient to step over your corpse, especially since they are still laughing at you for not only voting for them, but then continuing to defend their actions, well after it is obvious to anyone with the slightest bit of self honesty and reflection that this party is out for itself, not for you, not for the country, not for the blue collar worker. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/58 "2017-02-07T22:17:04Z")
Yeah, **doorhinge** , we get it. We know the reason why the Democrats didn’t block this nomination: They didn’t because they couldn’t, because they lack the numbers. That’s not the question. The question is why didn’t the Republicans block her? And that’s a good question, because they _do_ have the numbers, and _could_ have blocked her. If even one more of them had said, no, we want someone who has a clue, they could have had one. It’s not like they’d be betraying their party by doing so: Whoever else Trump nominated would still have been a Republican, after all. So why did they choose a clueless Republican over a Republican who has a clue? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/59 "2017-02-07T22:29:41Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I couldn’t help but notice that the Democrat Party lost the seats they needed in the U.S. Senate to prevent a DeVos’s confirmation. > > The Democrat collective see this as the Republican’s fault. I see this as Democrat collective continuing the very same stupid tactics that cost them control of both houses of the U.S. Congress. Keep up the good work. So you think DeVos will be a great Secretary of Education? What you can’t seem to understand, unlike everyone else in this thread, is that just because Republicans have a majority that doesn’t mean they’re obligated to approve each and every stupid appointment Trump makes. Yes, they have the POWER to do that. You keep telling us that. Did you think people on this board were unaware that the Republicans control the Senate? Or do you somehow think that, since the Republicans have won one election cycle, that they can and should do anything they want? Again, here’s the perfect example of a so-called “conservative” who doesn’t actually care about the Republicans enacting any sort of policy changes. All that matters is that his side wins, and what they do with that win is utterly irrelevant to him. He doesn’t want DeVos as Secretary of Education because he agrees with her educational policy, he wants her because he’s a Republican and she’s a Republican. Notice none of the usual Republican suspects on this thread is actually defending DeVos on policy grounds, just “HA HA, liberal tears!”. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2017, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266/60 "2017-02-07T22:32:28Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > So you think DeVos will be a great Secretary of Education? If the goal is to create a poorly educated populace that will continue to beg and grovel for whatever blue collar jobs the “job creators” feel like doling out, while continuing to vote for the party that hates them, then yes. I think DeVos will do just fine. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/holy-shit-devos-was-confirmed/779266.md?page=4)