# Home invasion in Texas

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 22, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190 "2019-01-22T11:43:44Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/21 "2019-01-22T19:14:33Z")

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> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> The article says that the homeowner fired “dozens of shots”. That doesn’t suggest a great deal of skill.

I was thinking the same thing. I’m glad the man was successfully able to defend himself but I’m not seeing anything that indicates any special skill at shooting was involved.

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**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/22 "2019-01-22T19:20:26Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Does the AK-47 in that file photo have a bump stock? :eek:

It sure looks like it. An image search shows it frequently being used as the file photo on bump stock stories. A [WSJ story](https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-moves-to-ban-bump-stocks-1520699565) has the caption on the photo reading - “A bump stock is installed on an AK-47 at Good Guys Gun and Range on Feb. 21 in Orem, Utah.”

Call that a yes.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/23 "2019-01-22T19:25:55Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> Does the AK-47 in that file photo have a bump stock? :eek:

The first thought I had was that was not the AK used in the fight.  
Are there any Texas laws about magazine capacity on a rifle?

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**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/24 "2019-01-22T19:32:33Z")

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> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> Are there any Texas laws about magazine capacity on a rifle?

Yep. “As many as you think you need.” 😛

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**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/25 "2019-01-22T19:32:36Z")

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> [@Dewey\_Finn](#):
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> The article says that the homeowner fired “dozens of shots”. That doesn’t suggest a great deal of skill.

Both sides were armed. Police reported several dozen shell casings in and around the house. Of the five home invaders, one died at the scene, one died driving away, one died after he fled on foot, and the other two were taken to a hospital for treatment. The homeowner appears to have survived unscathed.

The invasion crew may not have had a great deal of skill, but the homeowner hit every target.

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**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/26 "2019-01-22T19:36:53Z")

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> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> The first thought I had was that was not the AK used in the fight.  
> Are there any Texas laws about magazine capacity on a rifle?

The AK in the lead photo was a file photo.

credited -  
_An AK-47 in a file photo. (George Frey/Getty Images)_

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/27 "2019-01-22T19:37:31Z")

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> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> The first thought I had was that was not the AK used in the fight.  
> Are there any Texas laws about magazine capacity on a rifle?

I’m fairly confident **silenus** is right here and the great state of Texas does not place any legal limits on magazine capacity.

If you’re going to bring a gun to the fight, be sure to bring enough ammo for everyone.

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/28 "2019-01-22T19:38:32Z")

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> [@DinoR](#):
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> It sure looks like it. An image search shows it frequently being used as the file photo on bump stock stories. A [WSJ story](https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-moves-to-ban-bump-stocks-1520699565) has the caption on the photo reading - “A bump stock is installed on an AK-47 at Good Guys Gun and Range on Feb. 21 in Orem, Utah.”
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> Call that a yes.

Thanks, I might have to take a drive down to Orem this weekend.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/29 "2019-01-22T19:40:07Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> The AK in the lead photo was a file photo.
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> credited -  
> _An AK-47 in a file photo. (George Frey/Getty Images)_

I realize that, post 23, but it brought up the question.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/30 "2019-01-22T19:41:46Z")

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> [@silenus](#):
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> Yep. “As many as you think you need.” 😛

In Texas I thought there would be laws concerning the smallest magazine you were allowed to carry.

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**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/31 "2019-01-22T19:42:00Z")

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nvm

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/32 "2019-01-22T19:43:32Z")

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> [@HurricaneDitka](#):
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> I’m fairly confident **silenus** is right here and the great state of Texas does not place any legal limits on magazine capacity.
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> If you’re going to bring a gun to the fight, be sure to bring enough ammo for everyone.

They surely play fair next door.

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**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/33 "2019-01-22T19:43:41Z")

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> [@carnivorousplant](#):
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> The first thought I had was that was not the AK used in the fight.  
> Are there any Texas laws about magazine capacity on a rifle?

Texas has pretty much no firearms laws beyond those at a Federal level.

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**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/34 "2019-01-22T19:46:43Z")

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> [@bump](#):
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> Texas has pretty much no firearms laws beyond those at a Federal level.

They have come a long ways in the last few years. improvements in open carry, campus carry, etc.

> **[Gun laws in Texas | Summary table](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Texas#Summary_table)**

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/35 "2019-01-22T22:14:49Z")

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> [@doorhinge](#):
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> The invasion crew may not have had a great deal of skill, but the homeowner hit every target.

Judging from the report, he was shooting a rifle multiple times at people who were in the same room. Hitting your target in such a situation is not a big accomplishment.

The fact that the other five guys managed to miss him in those circumstances goes well beyond them not having had a great deal of skill. It says they were amazingly incompetent.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 22, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/36 "2019-01-22T23:43:15Z")

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Have we learned anything else, like he was bagging up pot when they broke in?

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**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/37 "2019-01-23T00:50:36Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Judging from the report, he was shooting a rifle multiple times at people who were in the same room. Hitting your target in such a situation is not a big accomplishment.
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> The fact that the other five guys managed to miss him in those circumstances goes well beyond them not having had a great deal of skill. It says they were amazingly incompetent.

He was firing multiple rounds at people who were in the same room. At the same time those people were shooting at him. This was not some violent video game, or a Hollyweird movie.

It also depends on how many rounds the homeowner actually fired. Six people - _firing rounds at each other_ - might be pretty chaotic, and it would be extremely loud. Deafening even. The homeowner is the only one who seems to have hit his intended targets.

You might not think it was, or not want it to be, a big accomplishment. I think that surviving a firefight against five attackers is a Grand Accomplishment.

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**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/38 "2019-01-23T02:22:45Z")

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I read a report that a child in the house was injured, but I cannot find a cite.

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**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/39 "2019-01-23T04:08:17Z")

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Wasn’t this the night of the eclipse? Spoooky! :eek: 😃

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**Author:** ![Fir\_na\_tine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Fir\_na\_tine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fir_na_tine)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/home-invasion-in-texas/828190/40 "2019-01-23T21:59:15Z")

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> [@steronz](#):
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> One of the few times a Hispanic gang member will be described in conservative media as a “homeowner.” Gotta love it.

Where did you see that the homeowner was a gang member?

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