# "Homeland" is so Nazi like...it creeps me out. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 21, 2003, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367 "2003-12-21T21:08:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Beagle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Beagle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beagle)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2003, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/41 "2003-12-22T16:56:53Z")
Oops, forgot “re”. If you really think there are marked similarities between Bush and Hitler, seek help. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/42 "2003-12-22T17:32:07Z")
I didn’t mind the Homeland reference so much… but referring to the Crawford Ranch as The Coyote’s Lair did give me pause. ---
**Author:** ![5que](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/5/3bc359/32.png) [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/43 "2003-12-22T18:23:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > \*\*but referring to the Crawford Ranch as The Coyote’s Lair did give me pause. \*\* Make sure the Secret Service carefully checks any “Acme” trucks that pull up to the gate with a delivery… ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2003, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/44 "2003-12-22T18:46:03Z")
Oh Jesus, Spoofe, read into things much? It’s a creepy term. I’m a word freak. I even said in the OP that the GOP usually has a special talent for these things (regretfully). And as you can see, I am not alone in my view of how the word sounds. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2003, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/45 "2003-12-22T23:01:36Z")
The moment I head “Department of Homeland Security”, my first though was, “Wow, how long until we have the Night Watch?”. After that, I imagine, come “Ministry of Truth” and “Ministry of Peace”. -Joe, sad but true ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/46 "2003-12-23T00:22:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by fushj00mang \* > \*\*Dissonance, > > Bill Clinton ended that in 1998 with “Operation Desert Fox,” when he ordered the four day bombing of Iraq. Everyone was like “Desert Fox?” What the fuck does that mean? \*\* Desert Fox was the nickname for General Rommel, the German WWII general. I don’t think he was a member of the Nazi party but still… ---
**Author:** ![45\_70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/5f9b8f/32.png) [@45\_70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/45_70)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/47 "2003-12-23T00:39:42Z")
Emotional people make for such great cheap entertainment. It’s great to find so many in one place. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/48 "2003-12-23T01:08:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Tusculan \* > \*\*On the other hand, it is an exact translation of the word ‘Thuisland’. These were part of the politics of the former regime of South Africa (see [Wikipedia](http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland), which I now notice translates this as ‘Homeland’). Still not a very good association to have. \*\* My fellow countryman stole my thunder. That’s exactly the association I have with the term “Homeland”. Still, I don’t think GWB et al came up with it to emulate South African politics. At the very least, they only seem to go after unpatriotic Americans. And people that look vaguely Muslim and might therefore be terrorists. The term in itself should not be the aim, here. There’s plenty of other things to go for, far more worthy goals in fact. Don’t waste your energy on the small potatoes. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/49 "2003-12-23T01:42:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \* > **Bush: Hitler, Trotsky, Goebells, Goering, Himmler…** Why does this strike me as a jump-rope chant? I’m flashing back to fourth grade: “Bush! Hitler! Trotsky, Goebells! Goering, Himmler!” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/50 "2003-12-23T01:59:13Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh Jesus, Spoofe, read into things much? Note the irony, dear Stoid, of you accusing me of reading into things, when you wrote your entire OP about your fears of a term… and those fears are based entirely on you having read much into it. I fail to see anything Nazi-esque about the term “Homeland Security”. In fact, the only thing out of the ordinary about the term is the lack of a three-letter abbreviation… ---
**Author:** ![Lucki\_Chaarms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lucki\_Chaarms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucki_Chaarms)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/51 "2003-12-23T03:19:47Z")
I agree that “Homeland” is kind of creepy, but the only way in which it has anything to do with Nazism is that it’s an overtly nationalistic term, and the Nazis were, of course, a rather nationalistic group of people. “Total Information Awareness”, on the other hand, scares the shit out of me. The [logo](http://www.eff.org/Privacy/TIA/images/tia-logo.gif) is so fucking Orwellian. Look at that and tell me that the message you get isn’t “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING”. _Shudder_ LC ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/52 "2003-12-23T05:22:56Z")
Didn’t “Operation TIPS” have a logo that involved a combination of an eye and a keyhole? Or did I see that in some _other_ moment of delerium? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/53 "2003-12-23T06:46:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SPOOFE \* > \*\*Note the irony, dear Stoid, of you accusing me of reading into things, when you wrote your entire OP about your fears of a term… and those fears are based entirely on you having read much into it. > > I fail to see anything Nazi-esque about the term “Homeland Security”. In fact, the only thing out of the ordinary about the term is the lack of a three-letter abbreviation… \*\* DHS? ---
**Author:** ![fushj00mang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d26b3c/32.png) [@fushj00mang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fushj00mang)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/54 "2003-12-23T07:05:27Z")
KSO, I knew that Rommel was the Desert Fox, but that connection didn’t even come to mind. That is as plasuable an explanation as any I’ve ever heard. On the other point, Rommel was an anti-Nazi, but that never had the balls to disagree with Hitler, unlike how his superior Herr Feldmarchal Manstein did. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/55 "2003-12-23T08:42:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Merijeek \* > \*\*The moment I head “Department of Homeland Security”, my first though was, “Wow, how long until we have the Night Watch?”. > > \*\* Oh, I don’t know. I personally would like to see Sam Vimes in the Cabinet. Carrot in '04! … But seriously, “Homeland” freaked me out, too. What’s wrong with “Home Front”? ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/56 "2003-12-23T09:05:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > \*\*Oh, I don’t know. I personally would like to see Sam Vimes in the Cabinet. \*\* Vimes has my vote. Pratchett in '04 or bust! ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/57 "2003-12-23T11:26:39Z")
No no no…Vetinari/Vimes in '04! I think Vetinari would make great foreign policy. Vimes is too blunt to be a foreign diplomat…keep him at home to screw with Congress. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/58 "2003-12-23T12:01:11Z")
One more here that is spooked out by the overt use of nationalism in names… Homeland and Patriot Acts… yuck… BTW Anaconda wasn’t random name… the idea was to slowly wrap/strangle the Taliban… like an anaconda ? Other silly military operation names are getting too much kitsch. Enduring Freedom, Just Cause… like they need to be justified or something ! Desert Shield and Storm still sounded appropiate though. Get some regular names for operations please. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/59 "2003-12-23T15:28:10Z")
Neverland is creepier. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2003, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367/60 "2003-12-23T18:45:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Alessan \* > \*\* > … But seriously, “Homeland” freaked me out, too. What’s wrong with “Home Front”? \*\* How about good ol’ “Domestic”? Office of Domestic Security. Period. Very governmental. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-is-so-nazi-like-it-creeps-me-out/220367.md?page=4)