# Homeland, Season 5 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 6, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722 "2015-10-06T15:22:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/1 "2015-10-06T15:22:09Z")
**Homeland** is back for Season 5, for those who are fans. This can be an omnibus thread, if there is enough interest. Episode one has started things off well, and the entire cast is back. Things have been updated for ISIS and other world events, and I found myself sucked right back into Carrie’s world. ---
**Author:** ![Drum\_God](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drum_god/32/44_2.png) [@Drum\_God](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drum_God)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/2 "2015-10-06T16:14:09Z")
My wife and I enjoyed it, though we had trouble remembering all the players, like how F. Murray Abraham plays into all of it. Is he a good guy or a bad guy? ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/3 "2015-10-06T16:40:37Z")
F. Murray Abraham is Dar Adal, director of the CIA’s black ops program. I guess it’s a matter of perspective as to whether he’s a good guy or bad guy. I’m still unsure what role Saul is now playing at the CIA, since apparently he was passed over as director. The premiere was kind of slow, but I like the Berlin setting and I’m intrigued to see how this leak of classified info plays out. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/4 "2015-10-06T16:52:10Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > F. Murray Abraham is Dar Adal, director of the CIA’s black ops program. I guess it’s a matter of perspective as to whether he’s a good guy or bad guy. I’m still unsure what role Saul is now playing at the CIA, since apparently he was passed over as director. > > The premiere was kind of slow, but I like the Berlin setting and I’m intrigued to see how this leak of classified info plays out. They had some plot building to do in this ep, as it’s two years since the mess at the embassy and they had to set the stage for what’s coming. I thought it moved along pretty well, though. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/5 "2015-10-06T17:23:44Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > I’m still unsure what role Saul is now playing at the CIA, since apparently he was passed over as director. IIRC someone said he was the Director of European Operations, or something like that. Having just rewatched **Inglourious Basterds** recently, I was amused to see that Carrie’s new boyfriend was the German soldier that was drinking in the bar scene that had just had a baby. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/6 "2015-10-06T18:07:36Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > IIRC someone said he was the Director of European Operations, or something like that. > > Having just rewatched **Inglourious Basterds** recently, I was amused to see that Carrie’s new boyfriend was the German soldier that was drinking in the bar scene that had just had a baby. Yeh, I believe that’s right. I’m hoping this gets Homeland back on track. Not sure the series will ever live up to Season 1 again, but I enjoyed Season 4 a lot and hope Carrie won’t be the reluctant “Just when I thought I was out…” CIA agent, but they kind of already set her up to be that. Anyhow… interesting to see Quinn become a detached, cynical killing machine (after the broken wreck he was last season) and Saul be so cold to Carrie. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/7 "2015-10-08T12:05:25Z")
> [@SaharaTea](#): > > The premiere was kind of slow, but I like the Berlin setting and I’m intrigued to see how this leak of classified info plays out. Can you explain how the “leak” occured? Was the CIA tech guy out of line by pinging the guy who was hacking the fundamentalist site? ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2015, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/8 "2015-10-20T23:02:52Z")
I can’t wait to see how Saul having a love affair with the CIA station chief lady is explained. Earlier in the 3rd episode we see him going off on her in private, so the anger he feels toward her for betraying him can’t be a fake out for the benefit of the other CIA employees. Yet at the end of the episode they are all lovey-dovey in bed together. Huh? ---
**Author:** ![RetroVertigo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b38774/32.png) [@RetroVertigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RetroVertigo)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/9 "2015-12-09T16:51:08Z")
I’ll bump this thread as I have been binge-watching and just caught up… I’m loving this season so far. They have adjusted the ship and this season has really drawn me back in. Though I’m a sucker for political/espionage set in Europe for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2015, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/10 "2015-12-09T17:12:26Z")
I don’t know about you guys but I think Claire Danes deserves an Emmy just for her scenes when she goes off her medication. Especially in Season 1. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/11 "2015-12-10T17:15:43Z")
Lot of parallels between what’s happen and the show. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/12 "2015-12-22T04:23:16Z")
Just watched the last episode. What a great season. I’m surprised that the connoisseurs of good television here at the Dope haven’t been talking about it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/13 "2015-12-22T17:17:56Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Just watched the last episode. What a great season. I’m surprised that the connoisseurs of good television here at the Dope haven’t been talking about it. I agree. The whole angle with the Russians was just good writing, and Miranda Otto did a very nice job with her role. I know that people are expressing frustration with the season finale, with the Peter Quinn cliffhanger, in particular. But I thought it ended just fine, and there is definitely a Season Six in the making for next year. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/14 "2015-12-22T17:33:04Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I agree. The whole angle with the Russians was just good writing, and Miranda Otto did a very nice job with her role. I know that people are expressing frustration with the season finale, with the Peter Quinn cliffhanger, in particular. But I thought it ended just fine, and there is definitely a Season Six in the making for next year. I’m pretty satisfied that Quinn is done. For me, the key was Dar Adal’s dialogue to Carrie earlier where it is established that Dar knows him very well and that this (Quinn’s state of being) is his worst nightmare. Hard to believe that knowing that, Carrie wouldn’t act appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/15 "2015-12-22T19:07:23Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > I’m pretty satisfied that Quinn is done. For me, the key was Dar Adal’s dialogue to Carrie earlier where it is established that Dar knows him very well and that this (Quinn’s state of being) is his worst nightmare. Hard to believe that knowing that, Carrie wouldn’t act appropriately. For me, any other resolution to Quinn would be just wrong, and out of keeping with the usual great writing. ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/16 "2015-12-22T20:56:27Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > I know that people are expressing frustration with the season finale, with the Peter Quinn cliffhanger, in particular. But I thought it ended just fine, and there is definitely a Season Six in the making for next year. Was that a cliff hanger? I thought it was pretty obvious she was about to go all “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” on him. That’s why she put the O2 sensor on her finger, so as to not attract the nurse’s attention when he flat-lined. ---
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/17 "2015-12-22T21:09:21Z")
> [@Turek](#): > > Was that a cliff hanger? I thought it was pretty obvious she was about to go all “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” on him. That’s why she put the O2 sensor on her finger, so as to not attract the nurse’s attention when he flat-lined. Yeah but then the sun came through the window and she…might have changed her mind or whatever. So is Saul really going to give that SVR guy asylum and set him up on a farm somewhere for giving up Allison? I’m not sure why he would believe Saul would honor that and not just kill him. Or why any spy in that situation would. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/18 "2015-12-22T21:38:42Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > Yeah but then the sun came through the window and she…might have changed her mind or whatever. > > So is Saul really going to give that SVR guy asylum and set him up on a farm somewhere for giving up Allison? I’m not sure why he would believe Saul would honor that and not just kill him. Or why any spy in that situation would. Honor among thieves, perhaps. It would be a bit of quid pro quo, exchanging information for asylum. As for Quinn: We didn’t see her pull his plug, but I thought the inference was pretty clear that she was going to do it. I didn’t like the whole hours-in-the-chapel-then-a-ray-of-sunshine bit. That’s what made me think that they were leaving it all in suspense as to Quinn’s fate. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/19 "2015-12-22T21:41:32Z")
I’m pretty much assuming that Quinn is dead. Kind of a bummer because I really liked the chemistry between him and Carrie. Overall I like the season much better than the fourth which I think draged on a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![SaharaTea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SaharaTea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaharaTea)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722/20 "2015-12-23T02:37:32Z")
Quinn was my favorite character, so I hated the finale and hated how his character got the shaft this season. I don’t know if they intended his death to be so ambiguous, but there are plenty of fans who think his fate is still up in the air. Perhaps the writers didn’t know if Rupert Friend would renew his contract? At any rate, I don’t think I’ll be back next season. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeland-season-5/733722.md?page=2)