# Homeopathy "clinic" next to new job. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [August 12, 2011, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415 "2011-08-12T03:14:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/21 "2011-08-12T18:28:29Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Feel free to support whatever wiki articles you want. I didn’t say I supported it-I asked you why you _didn’t_ support it. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/22 "2011-08-12T19:30:51Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > The significance of your future opinions has just undergone a 60x dilution. Nowhere near enough. To achieve any effect at all you need to dilute 100 to 1 six times, but don’t forget the “succussation” (that’s “shaking” to you and me) - but for serious cases you might _cautiously_ prefer the 20th centesimal - 100 to 1 twenty times. And yes, that does mean rather less than one molecule of active ingredient in a dose the size of the Sun. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/23 "2011-08-12T19:38:42Z")
We had a new member (actually I think it was a long-ago returning member, but I digress) at our anxiety support group meeting last Monday. He was talking about homeopathy and naturopathy and cleansing and EFT and all kinds of alternative treatments for anxiety (his anxiety disorder is apparently caused by yeast and toxins in his body). I had a hard time not saying anything about his ideas; if he keeps coming to the group, I’ll get less tactful, I imagine. I might need to start a thread; “How do I tactfully tell someone they’re full of shit?” ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/24 "2011-08-12T19:56:07Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I might need to start a thread; “How do I tactfully tell someone they’re full of shit?” Why bother being tactful? ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/25 "2011-08-12T19:56:50Z")
> [@chela](#): > > I thought I knew what homeopathy was but wikipedia seems really really biased against it and really against all medical alternatives (acupuncture, botanicals). > NTL, if the parking lot is full people must be satisfied with their services. I am not sure what church has to do with it, seems most traditional church goers would stick to regular docs. **Chela** The reason why there is a huge bias against it, is that it depends on something that makes no scientific sense while claiming they are doing scientific stuff and making claims that violate half a dozen well established laws of chemistry. Normally if you want lets say pain relief, you give someone 3 milligrams of morphine in 3cc’s of a base solution. Homeopathy would say take that same 3mg of morphine, mix it with 10,000 gallons of water, then give the patient 3cc’s of that resulting mixture, and then claims that it is stronger medication that would provide more effective pain relief, even though you have efffectively given less then 100x less actual medicine to the patient. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/26 "2011-08-12T19:58:19Z")
> [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](#): > > Why bother being tactful? For the other people in the group who are also listening. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![drachillix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/48db29/32.png) [@drachillix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drachillix)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/27 "2011-08-12T20:04:09Z")
sorry dropped a few zeros there, less than one one millionth of the dose. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/28 "2011-08-12T20:24:09Z")
Since **chela** didn’t like _that_ Wikipedia article about homeopaths, the RationalWiki article on [“Homeopaths Without Borders”](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Homeopaths_Without_Borders) will be even less appreciated. _“Essentially, they go to nations with sub-standard healthcare, and dilute it even more to make it 10[sup]-430[/sup] times as good as the healthcare in wealthier nations.”_ Truly, a busy homeopathic clinic parking lot offers terrific opportunities for scamsters to leave their ads under windshield wipers. Bogus home improvements, investments in Brazilian tapioca mines, alchemy home training courses - the opportunities are endless. ---
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/29 "2011-08-12T21:15:33Z")
> [@drachillix](#): > > Normally if you want lets say pain relief, you give someone 3 milligrams of morphine in 3cc’s of a base solution. > > Homeopathy would say take that same 3mg of morphine, mix it with 10,000 gallons of water, then give the patient 3cc’s of that resulting mixture, and then claims that it is stronger medication that would provide more effective pain relief, even though you have efffectively given less then 100x less actual medicine to the patient. No no no, in homeopathy you wouldn’t give someone diluted pain medication to relieve their pain, you give diluted pain- **causing** substances. Say, take 10 mg of pure capsaicin, dilute it 1:100 30 times. Boom! Instant relief from pain caused by sitting on a fat wallet. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/30 "2011-08-12T21:21:43Z")
There should be a rule about dropping a big stinking turd in a thread and then coyly refusing to man up and back it up. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2011, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/31 "2011-08-12T22:40:03Z")
> [@](#): > > “How do I tactfully tell someone they’re full of shit?” Why do I think that the most likely consequence would be the perceived need for a colon cleanse? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/32 "2011-08-13T05:51:21Z")
> [@psychobunny](#): > > Why do I think that the most likely consequence would be the perceived need for a colon cleanse? Hah! He spent about 10 minutes talking about how he wanted to go on a cleanse (unfortunately there were a couple of other people egging him on by agreeing with him about how great this cleanse is or that cleanse is). Maybe that’s why I think he’s so full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Colophon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f05b48/32.png) [@Colophon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colophon)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/33 "2011-08-13T11:35:45Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > There should be a rule about dropping a big stinking turd in a thread and then coyly refusing to man up and back it up. WAG: **chela** confused homeopathy with herbal medicine. It’s amazing how many people make that mistake. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/34 "2011-08-13T14:12:01Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > There should be a rule about dropping a big stinking turd in a thread and then coyly refusing to man up and back it up. Kindly show me this big stinking turd deposit.Remember it has to big and stinky. If I wanted to get into an argument over a wiki article about homeopathy I would start a new thread. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/35 "2011-08-13T14:43:21Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Kindly show me this big stinking turd deposit.Remember it has to big and stinky. If I wanted to get into an argument over a wiki article about homeopathy I would start a new thread. And if you want to make statements that cannot be challenged, you should start a blog. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/36 "2011-08-13T14:52:06Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > And if you want to make statements that cannot be challenged, you should start a blog. Are you really that concerned about it? Was my comment really blog worthy? Do I have to answer to you just because you pop up your tiny head and insist I do so? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/37 "2011-08-13T14:57:21Z")
> [@chela](#): > > Are you really that concerned about it? Was my comment really blog worthy? Do I have to answer to you just because you pop up your tiny head and insist I do so? :dubious: You made the claim about the accuracy of a Wiki article, and when pressed for specifics you refuse, which leads one to believe that your assessment of the article _might_ not be the most accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/38 "2011-08-13T15:31:33Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > WAG: **chela** confused homeopathy with herbal medicine. It’s amazing how many people make that mistake. Including the numerous practitioners who employ both - for instance, [naturopaths](http://www.gigharbornaturopathic.com/). (naturopathy is a superb example of [crank magnetism](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crank_magnetism) in action). It’s especially bizarre when proponents of herbal medicine scornfully call mainstream medicine “allopathic”. Guess what - the vast majority of herbal medicine _is_ in fact allopathic - using drugs intended to act against deleterious signs and symptoms (as opposed to homeopathic practice, which employs vanishingly small dilutions of a drug that supposedly produces those same signs and symptoms). ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/39 "2011-08-13T19:08:46Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Including the numerous practitioners who employ both - for instance, [naturopaths](http://www.gigharbornaturopathic.com/). FYI, I got a “TR/Crypt.XPACK.Gen” trojan warning from Avira from an .exe temp file when I visited that page. Exercise caution. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2011, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415/40 "2011-08-13T19:48:39Z")
> [@Colophon](#): > > WAG: **chela** confused homeopathy with herbal medicine. It’s amazing how many people make that mistake. I’m one of them: recently frowned when invited to a holistic health fair, conflating it with homeopathy. I also can’t tell a mandolin from a balalaika if they’re playing the same tune. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homeopathy-clinic-next-to-new-job/592415.md?page=3)