# Homosex and Abort as matters of Choice
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [October 15, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416 "2004-10-15T17:54:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/1 "2004-10-15T17:54:55Z")
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> “I think if you were to talk to \<…\> daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she’s being who she was, she’s being who she was born as. I think if you talk to anybody, it’s not choice,” Kerry said.
**Swipe to the left.**
If idea of having sex with a person of opposite gender is not appealing to you, this is not your choice, it’s a decree of God or Charles Darwin, and there is nothing you can do about it. You absolutely, positively may not choose, period.
But if Heterosex is your cup of tea, if by decree of God or Charles Darwin, you crave sexual intimacy with opposite gender, which sooner or later inevitably leads to conception of New Life, then it’s your choice whether to bear the child into the world. It’s absolutely, positively entirely up to you.
So you can’t choose what to do with your sex life, but you can control the outcome?
**Swipe to the right.**
If by decree of God or Charles Darwin, you crave sexual intimacy with opposite gender, which sooner or later inevitably leads to conception of New Life, then you must bear the child into the world. You absolutely, positively may not choose, period.
But if Homosex is your cup of tea, if by decree of God or Charles Darwin, you crave sexual intimacy with your own gender, then it’s your choice whether to accept or suppress your innate wishes. It’s absolutely, positively entirely up to you.
So you can choose what to do with your sex life, but you can’t control the outcome?
**Conclusion**
Why do we allow politicians to talk about all this? It leads to nothing, it doesn’t solve anything, it allows them to keep people divided and confused.
How many time was it repeated, “Get the politicians the hell out of other people bedrooms!” In particular, rich and privilleged politicians “_with strong wives_”. No gasbag taking “_pride in his wife and children_” should be allowed to pontificate about homosexual life experiences, without experiencing that life beforehand, so they’d know first hand what they are talking about.
So, Sens. John & John, get a room and give each other a good fuck, then come back and talk from experience.
And Bob Shieffer, put your head between your thighs and fellate yourself for asking smug stupid questions.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/2 "2004-10-15T17:58:36Z")
Maybe it’s just me, but I think Homosex and Abort would be really bad names for a pair of Jack Russell terriers.
My brother-in-law just named his Jack Russell puppy “Russell”, but that is another story.
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### Author:  [@GaWd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaWd)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/3 "2004-10-15T18:03:21Z")
I’m sorry, I see nothing wrong with Sen. Kerry’s statement. It, IMO, was a comment meant to counter those in our country who run around talking about god and jesus and how taking one or the other into their hearts will cure them of this choice to be queer.
I’m just not sure what you point is I guess.
Sam
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### Author:  [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/4 "2004-10-15T18:05:37Z")
“ **Homosex and Abort—they’re cops!** ”
_This fall, on the WB!_
. . . sorry . . .
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/5 "2004-10-15T18:08:39Z")
I read the OP 3 times, and I have absolutely no idea what the issue is.
Maybe I just choose not to understand… 🙂
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### Author:  [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/6 "2004-10-15T18:13:48Z")
I got the point of the OP. I just thought it, well, stupid. And I’m not telling none of ya neither what it means. Not even **New Iskander.**
😃
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### Author:  [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/7 "2004-10-15T19:08:15Z")
When did Darwin become equitable to God? Did I miss something? 😕
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/8 "2004-10-15T19:16:11Z")
Homosex and Abort? Isn’t that somewhere in New Mexico?
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### Author:  [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/9 "2004-10-15T19:18:04Z")
> [@Eve](#):
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> “ **Homosex and Abort—they’re cops!** ”
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> _This fall, on the WB!_
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> . . . sorry . . .
Not just cops, Police Cops. 😃
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### Author:  [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/10 "2004-10-15T19:25:22Z")
> [@lieu](#):
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> Homosex and Abort? Isn’t that somewhere in New Mexico?
It’s a suburb of Truth and Consequences, New Mexico…
Thanks for the softball pitch.
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### Author:  [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/11 "2004-10-15T19:31:52Z")
I saw the title, and thought that it was written by a European ESL speaker.
“Those stupid Americain and their obsess with the, how you say, the homosex and the abort? We French have more important thing to worry, yes?”
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### Author:  [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/12 "2004-10-15T19:38:00Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#):
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> It’s a suburb of Truth and Consequences, New Mexico.
Nitpik: Truth [o]or\* Consequences.
I think you would find Abort near Las Cruces, which is home to plenty of morbid place names such as Jornada del Muerto. Las Cruces itself means “The Crosses” or “The Graveyard.” You have White Sands Missile Range nearby, which seems like the natural place to shout “ABORT! ABORT!”
You can probably find Homosex in Santa Fe. 😃
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### Author:  [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/13 "2004-10-15T19:43:56Z")
I have to vote on the side of “Incoherent OP”. Wha…!?
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### Author:  [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/14 "2004-10-15T19:45:17Z")
Hey, what does this “Homosex & Abort” button do?
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### Author:  [@sturmhauke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sturmhauke)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/15 "2004-10-15T20:22:23Z")
Charles Darwin is my Lord and Master. I hear and obey, O Great Darwin. What is thy bidding, my Master?
It’s Skywalker we’re after. He’ll make a powerful ally. He will join us or die. We got Death Star!
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### Author:  [@New\_Iskander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Iskander)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/16 "2004-10-15T20:25:49Z")
> [@John Mace](#):
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> I read the OP 3 times, and I have absolutely no idea what the issue is.
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> Maybe I just choose not to understand… 🙂
I have some kind of Plan to do something… that’s all you need to know, really.
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### Author:  [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/17 "2004-10-15T20:28:00Z")
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> I read the OP 3 times, and I have absolutely no idea what the issue is.
Seriously. I _think_ what the OP is saying is that Kerry and Bush are both making contradictory statements. Kerry (in the eyes of the OP) is saying that no, homosexuality isn’t a choice when it comes to, well, homosexuality, and then, with regard to abortion, he’s saying that you _do_ have a choice of what the outcome of your sexual activity will be. And then Bush does the oppisite.
Of course, none of this makes any fucking sense whatsoever and only betrays a deep misunderstanding of the issues on the part of the OP, but since I’m not even sure if I’ve deciphered his rant correctly, I’m not even going to try arguing against it yet. Maybe I’m just being really, really wooshed.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/18 "2004-10-15T20:37:04Z")
> [@shy guy](#):
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> Seriously. I _think_ what the OP is saying is that Kerry and Bush are both making contradictory statements. Kerry (in the eyes of the OP) is saying that no, homosexuality isn’t a choice when it comes to, well, homosexuality, and then, with regard to abortion, he’s saying that you _do_ have a choice of what the outcome of your sexual activity will be. And then Bush does the oppisite.
That was my first thought, but it made so little sense that I figured it had to be wrong…
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/19 "2004-10-15T20:57:41Z")
> [@lieu](#):
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> Homosex and Abort? Isn’t that somewhere in New Mexico?
No, it’s an intersection near Greenvegas, SC. And if you block it during rush hour, **Bruce Daddy** will throw pretzels at your car.
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### Author:  [@Early\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Early_Out)
#### Post date: [October 15, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosex-and-abort-as-matters-of-choice/269416/20 "2004-10-15T21:01:28Z")
See, now, this thread illustrates why we shouldn’t even consider [banning the use of the word “retarded” as an insult](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281110).
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