# homosexual behaviour, the damage? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 7, 2003, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683 "2003-03-07T07:35:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![mozart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mozart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mozart)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2003, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/101 "2003-03-09T23:53:51Z")
Homosexuality has been around for a long time. So has fear of it. Most people who fear it, do so for their own reasons but it seems to me that fear is the one thing they all have in common. By in large fear has kept us alive as a species for millions of years but it doesn’t make us better humans beings. Only education and tolerance can do that. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/102 "2003-03-10T00:17:52Z")
Um, why not put the prison rape vs. homosexuality or whatever in a different thread? Just because it’s becoming something of a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/103 "2003-03-10T00:18:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mr. Matthew \* > \*\*Those Crazy Lesbian Monkeys \*\* Band name! ---
**Author:** ![Tarantara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a4c791/32.png) [@Tarantara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tarantara)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/104 "2003-03-10T00:59:42Z")
There are actually people here who believe that two men having sex are not homosexuals if it’s done in prison. I’ve also read arguments elsewhere that the Priests who raped altar boys were not homosexuals, a person with a penis is not a man, and a person with a vagina is not a woman. It seems the apologists can do no better than put forth a feeble semantic debate. How pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/105 "2003-03-10T01:06:18Z")
> [@](#): > > There are actually people here who believe that two men having sex are not homosexuals if it’s done in prison. The location matters not. The question of whether or not one/both of the men desired sex with another man, as opposed to sex with something concave, matters. IMHO. > [@](#): > > I’ve also read arguments elsewhere that the Priests who raped altar boys were not homosexuals, a person with a penis is not a man, and a person with a vagina is not a woman. Pedophiles, a hermaphrodite, and the same hermaphrodite, respectively. That wasn’t hard at all. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/106 "2003-03-10T01:16:59Z")
Of course men who have sex with other men in prison are homosexuals. If they weren’t, they’d have sex with all of those women in the prison with them. Oh, wait… Ah, well, I guess they could masturbate. But wouldn’t that make them manosexuals? ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/107 "2003-03-10T01:23:44Z")
> [@](#): > > “In the most extreme cases, Human Rights Watch found that prisoners unable to escape a situation of sexual abuse may find themselves the “slaves” of their rapists. Forced to satisfy another man’s sexual appetites whenever he demands, they may also be responsible for washing his clothes, massaging his back, cooking his food, cleaning his cell, and a range of other chores. They are frequently “rented out” for sex, sold, or even auctioned off to other inmates.” > > Doesn’t sound all that heterosexual to me. Perhaps I am not imaginative enough. Huh? I don’t get it, was that story supposed to sound MORE homosexual than just regular old male rape? It looks like, to me, that he just made a “wife” out of a fellow inmate, forcing him to do “wifely” duties. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/108 "2003-03-10T01:49:37Z")
**Apos** & **Avalongod** , while your debate on homosexuality and prison rape is interesting, it’s rather off-topic here, could start your own thread? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/109 "2003-03-10T01:53:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Huh? I don’t get it, was that story supposed to sound MORE homosexual than just regular old male rape? It looks like, to me, that he just made a “wife” out of a fellow inmate, forcing him to do “wifely” duties. Well, actually more a slave than a wife. Exactly what the article says. What’s so “homosexual” about that? Is that what you think homosexuals do? ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/110 "2003-03-10T01:58:09Z")
\*\*teemingONE wrote: I think gay people are gay because of a mutation. If this mutation affects more people then there will be a lot less babies being born. THATS the damage to society. Other then that, gay people are cool and alright. More girls for the rest of us.\*\* Have you any cite for this at all? Human behaviour is incredibly complex, so saying that one gene controls it sounds incredibly simplistic. Also, even if your premise is true, would having 10% of the population not reproducing, would that seriously affect population growth at all? As **Matt\_mcl** said, _underpopulation_ isn’t something anyone’s worried about right now. **Did you forget about Sodom and Gamorah(sp?)?** Nope, didn’t forget about it, but I place little faith in using mythology as a basis for historical fact. Show me the evidence that S & G existed and were destroyed by (the J/C/I) God’s wrath and I’ll pay more attention. ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/111 "2003-03-10T02:04:41Z")
\*\*UnuMondo wrote: Many psychologists today continue to believe it is a mental disorder in spite of the careless decisions of a couple of associations.\*\* As others have said, I’d really like to see for this! ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/112 "2003-03-10T02:06:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pizzabrat \* > \*\*Well, actually more a slave than a wife. Exactly what the article says. What’s so “homosexual” about that? Is that what you think homosexuals do? \*\* Well, I do bake a mean dozen biscuits, if I do say so! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/113 "2003-03-10T02:08:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freyr \* > \*\*\*\*UnuMondo wrote: > > Many psychologists today continue to believe it is a mental disorder in spite of the careless decisions of a couple of associations.\*\* > > As others have said, I’d really like to see for this! \*\* :smack: _sigh_ I meant, I’d really like to **A CITE** for this ---
**Author:** ![Freyr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/freyr/32/5763_2.png) [@Freyr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freyr)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/114 "2003-03-10T02:09:41Z")
☹ I give up… back to my archaeology readings for this week. ---
**Author:** ![Apos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/838e76/32.png) [@Apos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apos)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/115 "2003-03-10T02:28:00Z")
—Apos & Avalongod, while your debate on homosexuality and prison rape is interesting, it’s rather off-topic here, could start your own thread? Thanks!— I don’t think I’ve once mentioned prison rape in this thread. Did you mean musicguy? ---
**Author:** ![musicguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@musicguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/musicguy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/116 "2003-03-10T15:54:11Z")
I also agree that this prison rape thing is too much of a hijack. Sorry everyone. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![musicguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@musicguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/musicguy)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/117 "2003-03-10T16:39:54Z")
For anyone interested, I started a [thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=168546) to discuss the prison rape hijack. ---
**Author:** ![elfje](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19b73/32.png) [@elfje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfje)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2003, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683/118 "2003-03-10T17:08:21Z")
to all those men who find male homosexual acts icky or yuck or whatever it may be, but female homosexuals acts arousing… isn’t that hypocritical? If one kind of homosexuality is wrong, then so is the other. I don’t think either is wrong, it’s partly genetically determined, it’s what you’re born with. Why else would so manu gay people (male and female) be so depressed about it, commit suicicde over it, etc? If it’s a choice, then they would be able to change their minds. The fact that a lot of homosexual people are deeply unhappy (or were deeply unhappy at one stage) about their sexual orientation, proves they cannot help it - it’s what and how they are. Not a choice, but a fact. Homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom, too, mainly among birds, but still. It is not unnatural. If it occurs in our world, in our reality, than it is part of our world, our reality. Something is only unnatural if it does not occur in nature. And we (human beings) are part of nature. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-behaviour-the-damage/159683.md?page=5)