# homosexual hobbits **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 6, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559 "2003-07-06T12:15:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![captainQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@captainQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/captainQwark)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/1 "2003-07-06T12:15:40Z")
One of the reasons why the animated Bakshi version of Lord of the Rings is disliked is because it unintentionally made Frodo and sam seem gay. Since I don’t plan on seeing that movie anytime soon, can somebody fill me in? ---
**Author:** ![Iteki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/eada6e/32.png) [@Iteki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iteki)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/2 "2003-07-06T12:45:38Z")
You mean gayer than the books already make them sound from a modern perspective? ---
**Author:** ![captainQwark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e68b1a/32.png) [@captainQwark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/captainQwark)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/3 "2003-07-06T12:50:12Z")
as far as I know, they’re gayer in the movie than the book. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/4 "2003-07-06T15:19:26Z")
Of course, I suppose it’s impossible for two men to have a close relationship without implying a homosexual subtext. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/5 "2003-07-06T15:56:13Z")
Trust me, the movies “look gayer”. At the end of the first one, you could _hear_ fangirls all over the nation pick up their slash-writing pens. Whee doggie! ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/6 "2003-07-06T16:24:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eutychus \* > \*\*Of course, I suppose it’s impossible for two men to have a close relationship without implying a homosexual subtext. :rolleyes: \*\* Of course. Everyone knows that all men care about is sex, so obviously they can’t have _real_ friendships. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/7 "2003-07-06T17:37:18Z")
I dunno… For all the many flaws of the Bakshi LotR, I don’t remember that one. Matter of fact, the biggest flaw I can recall was that Sam was made out to be a blathering idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/8 "2003-07-06T17:38:12Z")
Well, Frodo did have a hard time explaining [these pics](http://www.squidge.org/~praxisters/lotrhobbits.html) made by the Middle Earth Papparazi. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/9 "2003-07-06T18:51:29Z")
Well, they did cross dress and they did hang out with J. Edgar Hoover, but that’s all circumstantial. ---
**Author:** ![Hamish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a5b964/32.png) [@Hamish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamish)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/10 "2003-07-06T19:17:10Z")
People, you’re all missing the most obvious evidence of homosexuality among hobbits: > [@](#): > > _From The Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien, Chapter 1:_ > \*\*In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and an oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole, and that means comfort. \*\* Presence of interior decorating in the most unlikely of places – proof positive of homosexuality! ::d&r:: ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/11 "2003-07-06T21:39:09Z")
Well, isn’t it just so [OBVIOUS?](http://www.landoverbaptist.org/news1202/twotowers.html) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/12 "2003-07-06T22:12:01Z")
Actually, in the animated **Return of the King** there was a scene where Frodo was on his hands and knees and sam was standing right behind him. Unfortunatly, the camera angle was very suggestive and it looked like Frodo could have easily been taking it in the rear. I think in one of the books there was also a scene( near Shelob’s cave) where Frodo was laying his head in Sam’s lap. That’s just a wee bit suggestive. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2003, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/13 "2003-07-06T22:28:50Z")
I think it just is conveying a very close friednship among two hobbits. It kind of bothers me that people think there’s some sort of gay subtext going on when two guys have a very close relationship. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2003, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexual-hobbits/186559/14 "2003-07-07T02:37:17Z")
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