# Homosexuality, a crime ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 29, 2000, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687 "2000-02-29T00:00:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/101 "2000-03-01T16:43:00Z")
Harrumph. The “egg” comment was for Libby; Poly just snuck his post in there, making mine read weird. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/102 "2000-03-01T16:48:00Z")
Poly, sit down, dear heart. I do get it. I was making a joke. You didn’t get the joke. Did you miss the laughy face? Gaudere, it was surely the hand of God. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/103 "2000-03-01T16:52:00Z")
The hand of _Gaud_, more like. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/104 "2000-03-01T16:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Libertarian: > > Evidently it means — unlike what it means to be a libertarian — having license to express a political thought in a crime thread. There you go again, Lib - bringing politics into _every_ thread you’re in. 😃 Esprix “Damn Libertarians! {shaking little fist}” * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/105 "2000-03-01T17:04:00Z")
[crooning skyward… baying loudly…] Manchester England, England. Across the Atlantic Sea. Oh, I’m so weary queery. I believe in Gaaaaauuuuuud! And I believe that Gaud believes in Claud. That’s me. — Ragni ---
**Author:** ![Triskadecamus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b19c9b/32.png) [@Triskadecamus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Triskadecamus)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/106 "2000-03-01T17:38:00Z")
Tsk tsk. Trolling for trolls? You should all be ashamed. **Tris** * * * Imagine my signature begins five spaces to the right of center. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/107 "2000-03-01T17:40:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Imagine my signature begins five spaces to the right of center. I knew the loss of HTML would hit you the hardest, Tris. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Falcon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/49beb7/32.png) [@Falcon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falcon)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/108 "2000-03-01T17:41:00Z")
> [@](#): > > This board seems to be crowded by homosexuals. Well, shit…better hope my SO doesn’t read this thread. I’d have a lot of explaining to do!! And starting countdown for next random, rambling post by Orion… * * * Winner, SDMB’s Biggest Chat Addict “Only two things that’ll soothe my soul - cold beer and remote control.” ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/109 "2000-03-02T06:19:00Z")
Orion lied: > [@](#): > > To say that homosexuality didn’t brought AIDS into society is one of the worst lies I have ever heard. Most of you know better. Most of us _do_ know better than to listen to you. Tell it to the Africans, where the **heterosexual** spread of AIDS has devastated whole towns. Worldwide, more people get AIDS through heterosexual contact than any other way. But I don’t expect something silly like _facts_ to interfere with your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/110 "2000-03-02T06:24:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by GLWasteful: > \*\*Orion: Firstly, your ability to put together an entire sentence in a readable fashion seems to have improved. Congratulations! > > THANKS > > > [@](#): > > > > If homosexuality was illegal, society would have been spared for much death and destruction. > > Okay. . .cite? I mean, really, now. If you wanna spew this sort of nonsense around, you will be asked to back it up with reputable sources. So, what are they? > > ANSWER: > This is just logic. AIDS is just one of many bad consequences. > > > [@](#): > > > > A person with a homosexual tendency would think twice about having gay-sex if it where illegal. > > Horsehit, Sparky. Sodomy is still illegal in many states, GA among them, yet Atlanta has a large gay population. > > ANSWER: > I think you are wrong. I think they would think more than just twice about it if the penalty where 1-2 years. And not just a paper law. > Waste > Flick Lives! > > \*\* ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/111 "2000-03-02T06:31:00Z")
Just logic? You wouldn’t know logic if it bit you on the arse! And as for telling GL you “think” he’s wrong – well, he already _showed_ that you are wrong, but you’d prefer to ignore it. Must be easier that way for you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/112 "2000-03-02T06:35:00Z")
Nurse Ratchet! I want my cigarettes, please. Nurse Ratchet, [tug… tug…] I’d like my cigarettes NOW please! Nurse Ratchet! NURSE RATCHET! _I want MY cigarettes!_ I DON’T WANT HIS CIGARETTES, OR HIS CIGARETTES, OR HIS OR HIS OR HIS! [flailing…] **I WANT _MY_ CIGARETTES**! I WANT MY CIGARETTES _NOW_, PLEASE, _ **NURSE RATCHET!!!** _ ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/113 "2000-03-02T06:38:00Z")
Orion, inre why “society would have been spared for much death and destruction” if homosexuality were illegal: > [@](#): > > This is just logic. Well, no, it most assuredly isn’t. Please try again with some of those cites I mentioned earlier. > [@](#): > > AIDS is just one of many bad consequences. Don’t tell me, tell those nice folk who suffered this particular consequence due to poor screening of blood, or hitting the spike with someone else’s gear. Quick question: Do you ever say anything that is not provably false? > [@](#): > > I think you are wrong. I think they would think more than just twice about it if the penalty where 1-2 years. And not just a paper law. And as me dear, departed grandmother used to say to me, “Think in one hand, and shit in the other. Then let me know which one fills up the fastest.” You see, it doesn’t matter what you think. The **fact** (look it up) of the matter is that even though sodomy is outlawed in more than a few places, homosexuality continues to happen. Now, why do you suppose that is? Waste Flick Lives! ---
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/114 "2000-03-02T06:42:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by David B: > \*\*Orion lied: > > > [@](#): > > > > To say that homosexuality didn’t brought AIDS into society is one of the worst lies I have ever heard. Most of you know better. > > Most of us _do_ know better than to listen to you. Tell it to the Africans, where the **heterosexual** spread of AIDS has devastated whole towns. Worldwide, more people get AIDS through heterosexual contact than any other way. > > But I don’t expect something silly like _facts_ to interfere with your opinion.\*\* Africa is an another story. Africa is poor. Many have little education and therefor less knowledge about contraseption. Adultery is very wide spread there compared to the Western world. Poverty causes prostitution and that’s the maine cause to the AIDS plague in Africa. You can’t compare Africa with the West. Aids explode among gay people in the Western World. Especially in San Fransisco, LA and NY. You can’t denie what I’ve said here my friend. It’s more of a moral and social question to me than consequenses like Aids. This extreme lifestyle should be illegal. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/115 "2000-03-02T06:48:00Z")
I can and will compare Africa, which is probably the biggest AIDS hotspot in the world. You can’t talk about AIDS without talking about Africa. You try to talk about AIDS as being caused by homosexuals, but you want to ignore any facts that show you are wrong. Interesting technique. Ignore reality and just stick to your own opinions. * * * Ignorance is Bliss. Reality is Better. ---
**Author:** ![Nu\_Vo\_Da\_Da](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@Nu\_Vo\_Da\_Da](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nu_Vo_Da_Da)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/116 "2000-03-02T06:55:00Z")
"Africa is an another story. " Oooh! Story time! "Many have little education and therefor less knowledge about contraseption. " Do you happen to come from Africa? You seem to fill the description quite well… "Adultery is very wide spread there compared to the Western world. " Now this I’d really like to see figures on, I know it’s true, but I’d still like to see figures because it would titillate my sense of humor. “Poverty causes prostitution and that’s the maine cause to the AIDS plague in Africa.” wait, Maine is the cause of AIDS in Africa? I knew it! Those damn new-englanders are always up to something. “You can’t compare Africa with the West.” Yes, yes we can. “Aids explode among gay people in the Western World.” And here I thought it just made them sick. Shows what I know. " Especially in San Fransisco, LA and NY. You can’t denie what I’ve said here my friend." Sure we can, and we do. Often. Doesn’t seem to do much good though. “It’s more of a moral and social question to me than consequenses like Aids.” OK, then why bring up AIDS at all? “This extreme lifestyle should be illegal.” Er, why? theres nothing wrong with it, and it doesn’t harm other people. Unlike Bigotry, which does. Now I’m not saying that all Bigots should be confined on small islands far away from all human contact, but I wouldn’t get in your way if you wanted to leave and never come back… ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/117 "2000-03-02T06:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Interesting technique. Ignore reality and just stick to your own opinions. Well, David, just look at how far it’s gotten him so far. Waste Flick Lives! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2000, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/118 "2000-03-02T06:58:00Z")
Huh! Orion-contraseption-girls don’t get intimate with boys who are illiterate ya know(Cecil ssaid this, I believe). I’ve known a few people with AIDS; they got it from sex, or a needle, or transfusion. Aids and homosexuality are not synonymus. back to your regular programming… ---
**Author:** ![GLWasteful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f05b48/32.png) [@GLWasteful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GLWasteful)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/119 "2000-03-01T19:02:00Z")
I eat kittens. Waste Flick Lives! ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/120 "2000-03-01T19:09:00Z")
A few points: 1.) Orion Star Orion (which sounds like an REM song) has no interest in new information, factual accuracy, or anything more than a tenuous grip on the English language. Coventry, I say. 2.) “Horseshit Sparky” would be yet another great name for a band. 3.) Does anyone else think that Orion Star Orion thinks **way** too much about this subject? I imply nothing, I’m just saying. 4.) Claude Hooper Brukowski! Finds that it’s groovy to hide in the movies! Pretends he’s Fellini, and Antonioni, And also his countryman, Roman Polanski, All rolled into one! One Claude Hooper Brukowski! Thank you. Dr. J * * * “Seriously, baby, I can prescribe anything I want!” -Dr. Nick Riviera [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687.md?page=7)