# Homosexuality, a crime ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 29, 2000, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687 "2000-02-29T00:00:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/121 "2000-03-01T19:21:00Z")
What causes itching? * * * “In disorders of the bowels and vomitings, occurring spontaneously, if the matters purged be such as ought to be purged, they do good, and are well borne; but if not, the contrary.” — Hippocrates ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/122 "2000-03-01T19:35:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by ORION\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*ORION: > > If homosexuality was illegal, society would have been spared for much death and destruction. This is just logic. AIDS is just one of many bad consequences. I think all Germans should be imprisoned. If it weren’t for Germans, society would have been spared much death and destruction. This is just logic. The Holocaust is just one of many bad consequences. > [@](#): > > I think you are wrong. I think they would think more than just twice about it if the penalty where 1-2 years. And not just a paper law. Penalties for drug use are much harsher than 1-2 years, and yet drug users don’t think twice about it. > [@](#): > > Africa is an another story. Africa is poor. Many have little education and therefor less knowledge about contraseption. Adultery is very wide spread there compared to the Western world. Poverty causes prostitution and that’s the maine cause to the AIDS plague in Africa. You can’t compare Africa with the West. All heterosexuals should be imprisoned. Heterosexual sex is very wide spread in the western world, and that’s the main cause of the spread of AIDS in the United States today. It is the only way to stem the tide of the disease. > [@](#): > > It’s more of a moral and social question to me than consequenses like Aids. This extreme lifestyle should be illegal. I think all Christians should be imprisoned. If it weren’t for Christians, society would have been spared much death and destruction. This is just logic. The Inquistion is just one of many bad consequences. Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/123 "2000-03-01T19:58:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Nu Vo Da Da: > \*\*"Africa is an another story. " > > Oooh! Story time! > > "Many have little education and therefor less knowledge about contraseption. " > > Do you happen to come from Africa? You seem to fill the description quite well… > "Adultery is very wide spread there compared to the Western world. " > > Now this I’d really like to see figures on, I know it’s true, but I’d still like to see figures because it would titillate my sense of humor. > “Poverty causes prostitution and that’s the maine cause to the AIDS plague in Africa.” > > wait, Maine is the cause of AIDS in Africa? I knew it! Those damn new-englanders are always up to something. > > “You can’t compare Africa with the West.” > > Yes, yes we can. > > “Aids explode among gay people in the Western World.” > > And here I thought it just made them sick. Shows what I know. > > " Especially in San Fransisco, LA and NY. You can’t denie what I’ve said here my friend." > > Sure we can, and we do. Often. Doesn’t seem to do much good though. > > “It’s more of a moral and social question to me than consequenses like Aids.” > > OK, then why bring up AIDS at all? > > “This extreme lifestyle should be illegal.” > > Er, why? theres nothing wrong with it, and it doesn’t harm other people. Unlike Bigotry, which does. Now I’m not saying that all Bigots should be confined on small islands far away from all human contact, but I wouldn’t get in your way if you wanted to leave and never come back…\*\* 1. I come from West Europe and is white. My age 26. 2. “Adulery is very wide spread in Africa…” I’m glad you agree on that point. 3. You can’t compare Africa with the West. Period. 4. “Aids exploded amongs gay people in the 80’s”. I see that you don’t wanna answer that one, you agree, Right. The same goes for “Especially in San Fransisco, LA, NY”. Right 5. I haven’t talked about Aids that much. I have given some answers to those which asked about this. And I hope that I’ve enlighten some of them. Seems to be needed if you ask me. 6. There is very much wrong about two men having sex with each others. And it does harm society. It’s clear for all to see, but I guess that many don’t care anylonger. But I do. I think you people from US should check your own english. I know I makes some spelling mistakes etc., but many of my words goes in UK. American english is a perverted version of the real stuff. So I guess that you can’t see that. Shape UP ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/124 "2000-03-01T20:01:00Z")
Orion of the many asterisks wrote: > [@](#): > > Poverty causes prostitution I’d think that a poor population would have **less** money to spend on prostitutes than a rich one would. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/125 "2000-03-01T20:13:00Z")
Orion of the many asterisks wrote: > [@](#): > > Poverty causes prostitution I’d think that a poor population would have less money to spend on prostitutes than a rich one would. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/126 "2000-03-01T20:18:00Z")
Orion\*Orion, you have a lot of nerve to call American English “perverted” when you seem to have little grasp on even a “pure” version. I am, by profession, a secretary - English is my career. To wit, allow me to correct something in your last post (oh, that I could red-line this): > [@](#): > > 1. I come from West Europe and is white. My age 26. I **came** from **western Europe** and **am** white. My age **is** 26. Now, I could go on, but the fact that you seem to have a problem with the basic use of the verb “to be,” I put it to you we speak better English than you do. (“Me fail English? That unpossible!” - Ralph Wiggums, _The Simpsons_.) > [@](#): > > 1. “Adulery is very wide spread in Africa…” I’m glad you agree on that point. > > 2. You can’t compare Africa with the West. Period. > > 3. “Aids exploded amongs gay people in the 80’s”. I see that you don’t wanna answer that one, you agree, Right. The same goes for “Especially in San Fransisco, LA, NY”. Right No one has ever argued with you that AIDS is rampant in Africa and was rampant in the United States. Your rail against homosexuals seems to be pointing a finger and saying, “They started it!” when in actuality **AIDS started in Africa**. > [@](#): > > 1. I haven’t talked about Aids that much. I have given some answers to those which asked about this. And I hope that I’ve enlighten some of them. Seems to be needed if you ask me. You ignorantly bring the topic up, we point out your errors, and you still insist on clinging to your ignorance. It’s true - the key to intelligence is the recognition that you aren’t. > [@](#): > > 1. There is very much wrong about two men having sex with each others. And it does harm society. It’s clear for all to see, but I guess that many don’t care any longer. But I do. It isn’t clear for all to see, and you have yet to effectively point anything out to anyone except ramble incoherently; we all seem to wholeheartedly disagree with you. > [@](#): > > Shape UP Oh, wait, I figured it out - he’s EUROTRASH! Who knew? Maybe he’s French? I have one last question that I would like Orion to address, please: If homosexuality should be made illegal because of the spread of AIDS in the United States, please explain to me why Germans shouldn’t be jailed because they started the Holocaust and World War I and II; heterosexuals shouldn’t be imprisoned for continuing the spread of AIDS in Africa and the United States (and worldwide, to boot); and Christianity shouldn’t be outlawed for starting the Inquisition and various and asundry other historical atrocities (for which the Vatican is apologizing this week). I’m serious - answer this for me. Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![Nu\_Vo\_Da\_Da](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/97f17d/32.png) [@Nu\_Vo\_Da\_Da](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nu_Vo_Da_Da)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/127 "2000-03-01T20:25:00Z")
“1. I come from West Europe and is white. My age 26.” 26 what? I seriously doubt that it’s 26 years. Are you measuring your life by seasons perhaps? That would make you somewhere around the age of 7, which seems a little young actually. I would have placed you at 11-15 myself. “2. ‘Adulery is very wide spread in Africa…’” “I’m glad you agree on that point.” Sure I do. Of course, it doesn’t contribute to any argument that you try to make, but if you want to add random statements in then go ahead. By the way, the sky is blue. I hope you see that this supports my points. “3. You can’t compare Africa with the West. Period.” Were you planning on justifying this, or does the word “period” make anything you say true? (I am 9 feet tall. Period.)(hm, that was easy,) “4. ‘Aids exploded amongs gay people in the 80’s’.” “I see that you don’t wanna answer that one, you agree, Right. The same goes for “Especially in San Fransisco, LA, NY”. Right” Yes of course, I automatically agree with anything I don’t dispute. How could anyone not agree with that? “5. I haven’t talked about Aids that much. I have given some answers to those which asked about this. And I hope that I’ve enlighten some of them.” Don’t you think “endarken” would be a bit more appropriate here? “Seems to be needed if you ask me.” Yes, I agree. If theres one thing this board needs it’s more sensible, well reasoned, factual debates. You leaving would be a good start. “6. There is very much wrong about two men having sex with each others. And it does harm society. It’s clear for all to see, but I guess that many don’t care anylonger. But I do.” It’s clear for all to see…translation “it is not only unclear, but also unjustifiable.” If it was clear then you could somehow prove/provide _real_ examples of the damage, etc etc. You haven’t yet, so I’m assuming you can’t. “I think you people from US should check your own english. I know I makes some spelling mistakes etc., but many of my words goes in UK. American english is a perverted version of the real stuff. So I guess that you can’t see that.” Oh my oh my, you’re going to get blasted for that one. What makes you think we’re all from the US? I can think of several posters from the UK quite easily. In any case, I grew up with the european spellings and no mistakes that you’ve made can be attributed to that, for one the grammar is pretty much the same. On the other hand they can all be attributed to the fact that you have no clear command of english. Have you considered using a spell checker? Or a dictionary? Or, dare I say it, a brain? “Shape UP” Apres vous, monsieur. * * * Still later, Gerald did a terrible thing to Elsie with a saucepan. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/128 "2000-03-01T20:29:00Z")
Now THAT’s odd. Libertarian, did you copy the text of my message, or did my second attempt to post it (my first attempt got no response from the server) confuse the message board software somehow? My second attempt at posting met with a “no response from server” error also. ---
**Author:** ![Sake\_Samurai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sake\_Samurai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sake_Samurai)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/129 "2000-03-01T20:34:00Z")
Ignorance and uninhibited sexual intercourse are the chief spreaders of the virus. Africa has both in a big way. Many cultures believe in having the uncles of young girls ‘initiate’ them into womanhood; the sharing of wives is often culturally acceptable; schooling is utterly primitive in rural areas; and contraception is not understood or utilized properly. Africa is an AIDS disaster. Some countries have 25% of their population infected. I’ve heard estimates that by the year 2020 there will have been more lives lost in Africa to AIDS than lives lost in Europe to the Bubonic Plague during the middle ages. It is not being spread primarily by homosexuals. Uneducated, sexually uninhibited heterosexuals are spreading this scourge like wildfire. Many African nations had high hopes of industrializing and moving into the 21st century, but millions of their citizens are dying every year and still they refuse to acknowledge the epidemic in their land. Most Africans don’t ever dare speak the name of the disease, let alone discuss it and what can be done. Orion\*\*\* and any others who blame the spread of AIDS on homosexuals are helping to increase the vast ignorance surrounding AIDS and in doing so, are a much larger threat to humanity than all the gays in the world. Answer me this Orion\*\*\*, If we, right now, killed every last homosexual person on the planet, do you honestly think that AIDS would disappear? If you don’t, you really have no business spewing this shit, do you? * * * Yet to be reconciled with the reality of the dark for a moment, I go on wandering from dream to dream. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/130 "2000-03-01T20:35:00Z")
Yor second post went through fine (Trust the CGI!); I deleted it. Libby’s post threw me; I almost thought it was another of your duplicates and deleted it too. I think he is being cute or Zen or gnomic or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Surgoshan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Surgoshan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Surgoshan)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/131 "2000-03-01T20:57:00Z")
Whew, that was satisfying. I wrote me a little anti-troll program in BASIC and ran it. I say to coventry with the pedantic, stupid 13 year old. (oh, and the program was just pretend) * * * I sold my soul to Satan for a dollar. I got it in the mail. ---
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/132 "2000-03-01T21:00:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Esprix: > \*\*Orion\*Orion, you have a lot of nerve to call American English “perverted” when you seem to have little grasp on even a “pure” version. I am, by profession, a secretary - English is my career. To wit, allow me to correct something in your last post (oh, that I could red-line this): > > Oh, wait, I figured it out - he’s EUROTRASH! Who knew? Maybe he’s French? > > I have one last question that I would like Orion to address, please: If homosexuality should be made illegal because of the spread of AIDS in the United States, please explain to me why Germans shouldn’t be jailed because they started the Holocaust and World War I and II; heterosexuals shouldn’t be imprisoned for continuing the spread of AIDS in Africa and the United States (and worldwide, to boot); and Christianity shouldn’t be outlawed for starting the Inquisition and various and asundry other historical atrocities (for which the Vatican is apologizing this week). > > I’m serious - answer this for me. > > Esprix > > \*\* I come from West Europe and I am 26. How can it be “came”, this is past tense. (it seems as I once have lived there) But I’m not an expert. First about the Germans and wwii. Many countries have gone to war, and many of them just to take land and destroy those they didn’t like. Just take US as an excample in the Vietnam war. In one occasion I believe they destroyed a whole willage and killed and raped most of the sivilians. And the comparance with Germans is really stupid. This is something that the Germans did in the past. Gay people don’t just had a sexual act with an another man, but they are doing this right now and probable tomorrow. They don’t see it as wrong. The Germans see that they’re wars was wrong and have payed the price, which was righteous. It seems a bit silly to compare this, but you brought it up. About christianity. I think that you should think about the fact that christianity is a something which the whole West if founded on. I could understand in a way that you don’t like it because you are gay. Inquisiton startet orginally as a hunt for a pegan group that sacrefied children in they’re rituals. But of course, we know the rest. Many innocent people was killed and tortured. But this again was something that happend in the past. This isn’t happening today, is it ? The answer I gave about the Germans should explain much of this. You compare thing that really can’t be compared. By the way, I’m not from France ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/133 "2000-03-01T21:02:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Gay people don’t just had a sexual act with an another man, but they are doing this right now and probable tomorrow. Lucky bastards. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/134 "2000-03-01T21:43:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by ORION\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*ORION: > > I come from West Europe and I am 26. There is no place called “West Europe.” There is, however, an area known as western Europe. > [@](#): > > How can it be “came”, this is past tense. (it seems as I once have lived there) > But I’m not an expert. If you live anywhere other than your place of origin, you _came_ from there; if you are perhaps visiting and planning to return to your homeland, you could conceivably say you _come_ from there, but it is awkward (you might also just say, “I _am_ from western Europe”). Either way you slice it, we still speak English better than you do. > [@](#): > > Many countries have gone to war, and many of them just to take land and destroy those they didn’t like. Just take US as an excample in the Vietnam war. In one occasion I believe they destroyed a whole willage and killed and raped most of the sivilians. So this is acceptable, but AIDS is not? > [@](#): > > And the comparance with Germans is really stupid. This is something that the Germans did in the past. Hmmm, well, by your own (inaccurate) account, homosexuals brought AIDS into the United States - that was _in the past._ Heterosexuals are now spreading it faster than anyone - that is _in the present._ Therefore, all heterosexuals must be imprisoned. Thank you for proving my point for me. > [@](#): > > Gay people don’t just had a sexual act with an another man, but they are doing this right now and probable tomorrow. They don’t see it as wrong. So if two men are in a long-term, committed, monogamous (that means “just with each other”) relationship, without the threat of spreading AIDS, and without somehow magically making anyone else turn gay… is it still wrong to you? > [@](#): > > The Germans see that they’re wars was wrong and have payed the price, which was righteous. Uh-oh - Jeezer alert! Anyone who freely throws around the word “righteous” should be treated with a nuclear radiation suit. > [@](#): > > I think that you should think about the fact that christianity is a something which the whole West if founded on. Another thing the “whole West” (by which I assume you mean the United States) was founded on was freedom of religion. Guess what? I’m not Christian, so please keep it out of my laws. (Or maybe I should be put in jail for that, too?) > [@](#): > > I could understand in a way that you don’t like it because you are gay. No, I don’t like it because I have a brain in my head and find the entire religion to be quackery. As a philosophy, it has its points, but otherwise, forget it. > [@](#): > > Inquisiton startet orginally as a hunt for a pegan group that sacrefied children in they’re rituals. But of course, we know the rest. Many innocent people was killed and tortured. Including homosexuals. But then, to you, that’s a _good_ thing. > [@](#): > > But this again was something that happend in the past. This isn’t happening today, is it ? Nope, and neither is the spread of AIDS by rampant sexually crazed homosexuals, either in the US or worldwide. So, again, you’ve proven to me that heterosexuals must be jailed for their deviant, disease-spreading ways. Thank you, and goodnight. > [@](#): > > By the way, I’m not from France Ooo, I’m intrigued - where, exactly, are you from, then? Esprix * * * Next time I want your opinion I’ll beat it out of you. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/135 "2000-03-01T21:47:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Libertarian, did you copy the text of my message, or did my second attempt to post it (my first attempt got no response from the server) confuse the message board software somehow? My second attempt at posting met with a “no response from server” error also. Nice try, **Tracer** , but the ugly sock-puppet truth is out now. You’ve been **Lib** all along! Admit it! -andros- putting out fire with gasoline ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/136 "2000-03-01T21:50:00Z")
Yeah, but why does it say “Moderator” under your name now, Andros? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/137 "2000-03-01T22:02:00Z")
Cover me, I’m going in. (Allah forgive me.) > [@](#): > > Inquisiton startet orginally as a hunt for a pegan group that sacrefied children in they’re rituals. Er, huh? Which Inquisition was that? And who was sacrificing children, the Jews or the Protestants? Had to be one or the other, as the Inquisitions were primarily directed at those two groups. Oh, unless you mean that famous “Baby Killer” Inquisition ordered by Pope Ignatius XXI in 1593. -andros- ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/138 "2000-03-01T22:08:00Z")
Poly: Yeah. Right. Not on a bet, pally. You couldn’t PAY me enough. (all hail David and Gaudere, Devourers of Worlds) -a- ---
**Author:** ![ORION\_ORION](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@ORION\_ORION](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ORION_ORION)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/139 "2000-03-01T22:12:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Esprix: > \*\* > > Esprix > > \*\* I think that many of your questions are stupid, and I think that you know that you hav lost my friend. You seems to compare thing that can’t be compared. I didn’t say that Americas treatment in Vietnam was OK. Once again about AIDS. I will ask you a question: Do you know any gays that have died of Aids. I bet you do, and not just one either, Right. I ask you this because you said you where a gay. About that hetrosexuels are spreading it now: It’s a lie. Straight men and women are spreading it -yes, but not like the gays. You people are using this Aids plague to justify a perverter lifestyle. You people does the same about adopting. You people say that it’s better that gays take care of children instead of them staying in a children’s home. You people use this for all it’s worth, you will stop at nothing to get a child. You people are sick and you only care about you’re selves. homosexuality should be illegal ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2000, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687/140 "2000-03-01T22:17:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by ORION\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*ORION: > \*\* > > 1. I come from West Europe and is white. My age 26. > Shape UP\*\* Orion, You’re 26 and retired (got that from your profile)?? What’s your secret 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-a-crime/17687.md?page=8)