# homosexuality and the society **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 27, 2006, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470 "2006-05-27T18:41:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/21 "2006-05-27T19:27:08Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] have you ever thought about the fact that the vast majority, while they accept that gay are practising their lifestyly, finds gays sex to be sickening? [/QUOTE] You still haven’t defined ‘gay lifestyle’ or proven it exists > [@](#): > > we are not expecting nor promotes that gays should stop having sex with each other, but we don’t accept that this is showed into our faces. We don’t like to see two men are kissing each other on a public place I DO expect bigots like you to stop being bigotted and not to display you prejudice in public. ---
**Author:** ![XaMcQ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f9ae1b/32.png) [@XaMcQ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XaMcQ)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/22 "2006-05-27T19:28:36Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] why can’t the gays have their lifestyle in private? [/QUOTE] Because you are implying that there is something to be ashamed of in their lifestyle by demanding that they hide it so well that you can pretend they don’t exist or are so few as not to matter. Two people who love or even lust after each other is no more vulgar or shameful in homosexuals than it is in heterosexuals. If you want to discuss whether or not sex has become too open in our society, period, that’s fine, but trying to shame gays back into the closet is as likely to be successful as an attempt to shame women back into being chattel to their husbands and male relatives, or blacks back into Jim Crow segregation. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/23 "2006-05-27T19:30:29Z")
> [@](#): > > because homosexuality aren’t normal, but the society have given gay’s some slack because they don’t like to opress people On the contrary, homosexuality is entirely normal, in the sense that it is (as best we can tell) a product of natural factors, not least of which are some genetic ones; furthermore, homosexuality has existed in every society in history, and I might go so far as to say we as a society are more “abnormal” in failing to accept homosexuality as a fact of life than many (most?) socieities; and, lastly, the incidence of homosexuality and bisexuality is likely much greater than the tiny minority of “abnormal” individuals you seem to assume. Homosexuality is as “normal” as being black, or Christian, or any other minority designator you care to name. Furthermore, I wish both to take exception to the statement that “the vast majority of people find gay sex disgusting”, firstly because I don’t think its true, and secondly because even if they did, it wouldn’t matter one whit. Liberal societies (of which I and, I assume, you, are members) exist to protect the individual from the prejudices of the majority. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/24 "2006-05-27T19:34:31Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] why can’t the gays have their lifestyle in private? [/QUOTE] You go first. Don’t kiss your wife/girlfriend in public. Don’t hold her hand. Don’t keep her picture on your desk at work. Don’t ever talk about her, at all. Pretend that, for all intents and purposes, she does not exsist. Once you’ve done that, I will seriously consider doing the same for my boyfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/25 "2006-05-27T19:35:00Z")
[QUOTE=Happy Clam] Do you need to push your poor typing into other’s faces? Man alive, **Minotaurus** , I understand that english may not be your first language, but could you at least capitalise the first letter of sentences? It would make reading your posts much easier on the eyes. [/QUOTE] whats this about attacking mu spellingmistakes? do you lack a valid argument about the topic i presented? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/26 "2006-05-27T19:38:22Z")
> [@](#): > > why can’t the gays have their lifestyle in private? Y’know, I was walking down the street today, and what do you think I saw? Why, some Christians praying! In **broad daylight**! Can you believe that a bunch of people were conducting an unnatural practice\*, that I’m certain the vast majority of people are squicked out by (because I am, and I like to project my prejudices onto the mass of the population to bolster my self-confidence and protect me from accusations of bigotry), and were thrusting it in our faces? Sure, they might be allowed to practice in it private (although, frankly, I’d begrude them even that), but to do it in a public setting is just ludicrous. Don’t get me started on the way that the Christian lifestyle is being forced on us! Hell, it’s one the goddamn currency! How dare a minority\*\* try to make us participants in their twisted “culture”. Y’know, perhaps I’ll go start a Pit thread on this subject. Actually, on second thoughts, I’ll put it in Great Debates, so that I can shroud my intolerance in a facade of reasoned arguments. Personal attacks on me for the raving bigot I am are also less likely in one of the more polite forums. \*Worship has at least as much right to the “unnatural” designator as does homosexuality. \*\*In my country. ---
**Author:** ![Minotaurus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Minotaurus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minotaurus)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/27 "2006-05-27T19:39:55Z")
[QUOTE=GIGObuster] Doesn’t this mean that you are proposing then to oppress them? [/QUOTE] no ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/28 "2006-05-27T19:40:49Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] have you ever thought about the fact that the vast majority, while they accept that gay are practising their lifestyly, finds gays sex to be sickening? we are not expecting nor promotes that gays should stop having sex with each other, but we don’t accept that this is showed into our faces. We don’t like to see two men are kissing each other on a public place [/QUOTE] Ever thought that maybe some people think straight sex is sickening? That they don’t like to see a man and a woman slobbering all over one another in public? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/29 "2006-05-27T19:43:02Z")
> [@](#): > > whats this about attacking mu spellingmistakes? do you lack a valid argument about the topic i presented? Well actually Minotaurus, if you read my post, you’ll find that not only did I not attack your spelling mistakes (simply asked you to capitalise the first letter of sentences, which is easy), I went on to make a counter-argument against one of your points **in the next paragraph**. Which you have failed to address. Which might perhaps leave you open to the suggestion that you lack a valid argument against what I posted\*, and prefer to resort to false accusations of _ad hominem_ attacks to conceal your lack of valid points. \*I’ll repost it, just for you: > [@](#): > > Oh, yeah, also, what Annie-Xmas said: firstly, there is no such thing as “gay culture” (at least, not in the sense that there is one set of cultural practices that all homosexual people follow), and secondly, even if one existed, I fail to see any evidence of it being “pushed in people’s faces”- unless you mean gay pride parades and the like, which are no more offensive than the demonstrations of any group united by common beliefs (such as religous festivals, for instance). ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/30 "2006-05-27T19:43:07Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] whats this about attacking mu spellingmistakes? do you lack a valid argument about the topic i presented? [/QUOTE] No, but _you_ do. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/31 "2006-05-27T19:44:49Z")
> [@](#): > > You go first. Don’t kiss your wife/girlfriend in public. Don’t hold her hand. Don’t keep her picture on your desk at work. Don’t ever talk about her, at all. Pretend that, for all intents and purposes, she does not exsist. > > Once you’ve done that, I will seriously consider doing the same for my boyfriend. Bravo. Oh, bravo. ---
**Author:** ![FilmGeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b19c9b/32.png) [@FilmGeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FilmGeek)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/32 "2006-05-27T19:47:07Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] whats this about attacking mu spellingmistakes? do you lack a valid argument about the topic i presented? [/QUOTE] It’s extremely difficult to understand the topic you’ve presented (as bigoted as it is) with the way you present your posts. You’ve been here a little while now. Take a hint from the other posts you read. Really. Use proper English capitalization and punctuation rules. Try a spell check. PROOFREAD, for Pete’s sake. Typos are one thing and expected in a lot of posts. Your posts are practically impossible to read. Try that, then maybe we can try to debate you. > [@minotaurus](#): > > why can’t the gays have their lifestyle in private? Why can’t the straights have their lifestyle in private? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Clam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3bc359/32.png) [@Happy\_Clam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Clam)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/33 "2006-05-27T19:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > Try that, then maybe we can try to debate you. Oops, Gaudere’s Law strikes. You mispelled deride. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/34 "2006-05-27T19:54:01Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] my definition if gay culture is mostly liked to sexuality gay culture is the traditionally lifestyle of gays, and this is something that they often tries to push into the society and make it so visual as possible for everybody [/QUOTE] What, you mean, like, publicly shopping together in grocery stores, showing up at their kids’ school plays, trying to act like normal couples kind of thing? Yeah. The nerve. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/35 "2006-05-27T19:54:18Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] no [/QUOTE] Ok, then the slack and tolerance are here to stay. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/36 "2006-05-27T20:00:07Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] The last two decades we have seen more and more of those gay parades, and even in TV we see today, on a daily basis, commercials, series and such which tries to integrate gay “culture” in our society. [/QUOTE] I tend to ignore Shriners parades. Why can’t you ignore Gay parades? Can’t help yourself? Why is that? Oh, but you can’t ignore them because they’re all “in your face.” Yeah, Gays control the media. We staged a coup against the Jews awhile back. Or maybe if it’s increasingly “in your face” it’s because increasingly, straights like us? Guess you’re the odd man out. Feeling oppressed, are ya? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/37 "2006-05-27T20:02:07Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] What do you mean by “vulgar”? Straight sex is also a lot more socially visible than it was in the '50s. There has been a general relaxation of social rules and a broadening of what is considered acceptable to discuss in mixed company or show on television. You might object to that trend in itself, but since it is there, why should gays be excluded from it? [/QUOTE] I think this is the answer right here. The fact that there is more openness, vulgarity, and “in-your-face-ness” about homosexuality is just part of there being more openness, vulgarity, and in-your-face-ness about sexuality in general. [QUOTE=Minotaurus] I feel that gay people have an agenda to push more and more vulgar homosexual “things” into our culture. [/QUOTE] I suspect there’s a relatively small but vocal and attention-seeking minority of gay people about whom this is true. I suspect you could say the same thing about heterosexuals. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/38 "2006-05-27T20:05:23Z")
[QUOTE=Minotaurus] I feel that gay people have an agenda to push more and more vulgar homosexual “things” into our culture. [/QUOTE] Rats! He knows! [http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html](http://www.bettybowers.com/homoagenda.html) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/39 "2006-05-27T20:07:24Z")
Actually, what they want is to push more and more vulgar homosexual “things” into your . . . well, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470/40 "2006-05-27T20:15:01Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] You go first. Don’t kiss your wife/girlfriend in public. Don’t hold her hand. Don’t keep her picture on your desk at work. Don’t ever talk about her, at all. Pretend that, for all intents and purposes, she does not exsist. [/QUOTE] You know, it really is that simple. The OP says he doesn’t want to return the “bad old days” when gays were systematically oppressed, and yet that is exactly what he’s proposing. I’d like to ask the OP exactly which aspects of a gay couple’s relationship he feels it’s OK to be public about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-and-the-society/358470.md?page=3)