# Homosexuality is 'unnatural' **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 20, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031 "2013-07-20T13:42:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/21 "2013-07-20T18:14:31Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > So what? See the first paragraph of the OP. It goes to the “unnatural” argument he is exploring. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/22 "2013-07-20T18:20:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > See the first paragraph of the OP. It goes to the “unnatural” argument he is exploring. How so? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/23 "2013-07-20T18:24:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > How so? He is exploring the title of there thread. He says he is “baffled” by the arguments that argue that homosexuality is unnatural. But somehow, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I think you knew this. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/24 "2013-07-20T18:50:34Z")
How can you argue that a penis going into a vagina is somehow more natural than a penis going into an anus or going into a mouth? If a penis fits into an orifice than apparently it’s natural. Now trying to put your penis into somebody’s nose. That’s unnatural. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/25 "2013-07-20T18:51:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > He is exploring the title of there thread. He says he is “baffled” by the arguments that argue that homosexuality is unnatural. But somehow, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that I think you knew this. I’m not trying to be coy, I’m trying to get you to lay out your logic for going from “penis goes in vagina is ‘intended’” to “penis goes in butt is unnatural.” Noting that something is really good at one function doesn’t necessarily denigrate it’s use at some other function. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/26 "2013-07-20T18:55:18Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > It’s as unnatural as religion. More precisely, it’s as unnatural as miracles. Walking across (liquid) water, to say nothing of rising from the dead, clearly is not natural – that’s why the accounts of these events make an impression on people. ---
**Author:** ![Kenm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bc79bd/32.png) [@Kenm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kenm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/27 "2013-07-20T18:57:18Z")
> [@Bozuit](#): > > When animals jump off cliffs, or run in front of cars, are they truly “suicidal”, or do they just fail to fully understand the situation? If you’re referring to lemmings, they don’t hurl themselves off cliffs. That was [**fiction invented by Walt Disney**](http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp) to flog a movie. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/28 "2013-07-20T18:58:54Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not trying to be coy, I’m trying to get you to lay out your logic for going from “penis goes in vagina is ‘intended’” to “penis goes in butt is unnatural.” Noting that something is really good at one function doesn’t necessarily denigrate it’s use at some other function. I didn’t say it was _un_natural. It’s just not as natural as using the genitalia for the purposes for which they were designed to be complementary. I might be able to walk around on my hands, that doesn’t change why we have feet. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/29 "2013-07-20T19:00:57Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > There is also the complementary nature of the male and female genitalia. That points to a natural intended use of each. Intent?? There are no “goals” in nature, only processes. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/30 "2013-07-20T19:02:18Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Intent?? There are no “goals” in nature, only processes. Is there not a goal for the species to continue itself? And that it evolves to do just that? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/31 "2013-07-20T19:03:11Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I didn’t say it was _un_natural. You said your observation went to the OP’s question, which is “Why do people think homosexuality is unnatural?” So, if you weren’t saying that it was unnatural, what does your post have to do with the OP’s question? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/32 "2013-07-20T19:06:00Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You said your observation went to the OP’s question, which is “Why do people think homosexuality is unnatural?” So, if you weren’t saying that it was unnatural, what does your post have to do with the OP’s question? 1. Because some people hold it to be unnatural. 2) It is not as natural as using the genitalia for their primary purposes. Tell me, do you think that, generally, it is more natural, less natural, or equally naturally for a penis to be in a vagina as opposed to an anus? ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/33 "2013-07-20T19:08:47Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > How can you argue that a penis going into a vagina is somehow more natural than a penis going into an anus or going into a mouth? If a penis fits into an orifice than apparently it’s natural. > > Now trying to put your penis into somebody’s nose. That’s unnatural. Maybe for humans, but the [Amazon dolphin](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals#Amazon_Dolphin) is known to engage in blowhole sex. :eek: According to Wikipedia, Amazon dolphin males have also been observed having gay threesomes (and moresomes) and even gay interspecies sex with tucuxi dolphins. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/34 "2013-07-20T19:11:28Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > How is “wiener + hoo-hah” any more naturally complementary than “wiener + bum hole”? The argument I’ve heard is that penis in vagina is more natural than penis in anus because the vagina is, in fact, designed to be penetrated by penises, what with the self-lubricating and general sturdiness. The anus, OTOH, needs external (often artificial) assistance in the form of lube. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/35 "2013-07-20T19:13:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Is there not a goal for the species to continue itself? And that it evolves to do just that? And how does it evolve? If you go back far enough, our ancestors were asexual protozoa. At some point, they evolved organs to exchange genetic information with each other, and we had sexual reproduction. At some later point, those organs became specialized at either giving or receiving genetic information, and we had gendered reproduction. And so on and so forth down billions of years until we have the human reproductive cycle. At every step of that journey, every single one of those changes were caused by the creatures in question using their genitalia in some unorthodox fashion. If you absolutely must anthropomorphize a blind force of nature and random chance, it’s more accurate (or, rather, less inaccurate) to say that nature “intends” us to constantly try different ways of fucking around, so that we can eventually find better ways of continuing the species. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/36 "2013-07-20T19:16:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > 1. Because some people hold it to be unnatural. People think it’s unnatural because people think it’s unnatural? That’s a useful insight. > [@](#): > > 1. It is not as natural as using the genitalia for their primary purposes. Tell me, do you think that, generally, it is more natural, less natural, or equally naturally for a penis to be in a vagina as opposed to an anus? Equally natural, obviously. Tell me, do you think it’s more natural to piss through a dick, or to use it to fuck a woman? ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/37 "2013-07-20T19:17:55Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > And how does it evolve? If you go back far enough, our ancestors were asexual protozoa. At some point, they evolved organs to exchange genetic information with each other, and we had sexual reproduction. At some later point, those organs became specialized at either giving or receiving genetic information, and we had gendered reproduction. And so on and so forth down billions of years until we have the human reproductive cycle. At every step of that journey, every single one of those changes were caused by the creatures in question using their genitalia in some unorthodox fashion. If you absolutely must anthropomorphize a blind force of nature and random chance, it’s more accurate (or, rather, less inaccurate) to say that nature “intends” us to constantly try different ways of fucking around, so that we can eventually find better ways of continuing the species. Oh, please. But lets say this is all true, it still leaves the questions I asked of you: Tell me, do you think that, generally, it is more natural, less natural, or equally naturally for a penis to be in a vagina as opposed to an anus? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/38 "2013-07-20T19:18:33Z")
I think the idea is (and not that I’m supporting it) that my male dog goes out chasing female dog tail. All male dogs do. No male dogs in the world want to sodomize him. There might be some insane examples of animal homosexuality, but generally you see animals wanting to mate, not pair bond with the same sex for love. That’s where the argument comes from. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/39 "2013-07-20T19:21:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, please. But lets say this is all true… What part of it do you think is inaccurate? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031/40 "2013-07-20T19:23:06Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Doesn’t matter. Evolution, God, both, neither. The fact is that they are complementary. Wouldn’t that make two men in a “69” position the most natural sex possible? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuality-is-unnatural/664031.md?page=3)