# Homosexuals, atheists, liberals, and death penalty opponents should be executed..... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2003, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011 "2003-10-17T14:33:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/41 "2003-10-18T02:57:56Z")
Sorry, **whuckfistle** , but he’s a fine product of the state of Georgia. No offense intended to residents and former residents of Georgia who don’t have their heads up their asses. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/42 "2003-10-18T04:12:09Z")
I’m an atheist libertarian. As I don’t think Our Boy Bobby can understand the difference between libertarian and `libber-heroin’, I guess I’d die twice. Making me in a league with James Bond, I’d suppose. Oh, and read his Article 1. His rant against Santa is pretty good. It has all of the ambiance of a daring expose, but it’s what we all figure out by age twelve. In Article 2, he advocates the use of the death penalty as a means of population control. I’m for the death penalty, but that’s just insane. In Article 4, he says that, basically, Bobby Kennedy killed himself by swearing to uphold and defend the Constitution: > [@](#): > > Kennedy, being the blind heathen that he was didn’t realize it at the time, but when he swore to uphold and defend my constitution, he swore to uphold and defend the ideology of the very Palestinian that murdered him. Therefore I made Kennedy thereby actually committed suicide by his oath to defend my murderous constitution. His death was also in vain. (I’m watching _Metropolis_, by the way. The really good Kino restoration, the one with the original score and all of the existant footage. Just so no-one thinks I’m a complete loser. ;)) In a different section, the Loony says: > [@](#): > > Thus despite what you have been previously deceptively taught and despite the deceptive dictionary’s meaning of atheism, **atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that the true God does indeed exist.** Atheism knows God exists; it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says “under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God’s existence.” (Emphasis his.) Yep, I say those exact words every time I sacrifice a floppy to Moloch, Set, and Baal (the legal firm I deal with). It has to be blood red and contain images of kitty porn interleaved with Christian alpha and omega channels. Siamese kitties are prefered. > [@](#): > > Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other. My hands deny truth all the time. My head has nothing to do with it, of course. > [@](#): > > [… snip some of the less loony laws of the Ten Commandments (Honor thy father and mother, shalt not kill, shalt not commit adultery, shalt not steal, shalt not bear false witness) …] > > OK, there’s no disagreement with the fact that those Laws are righteous and honorable. > > But since atheists deny God’s existence, they don’t have the ability to realize that God is the Author of the TEN COMMANDMENTS. This forces them to attribute their authorship to a human. But since atheism is opposed to the decorous TEN COMMANDMENTS, even while being force to deceptively think they were authored by a human, this clearly shows evidence that atheism was and is incapable of authoring, realizing and honoring such decorous and noble laws. If in the view of the atheist the TEN COMMANDMENTS were authored by a human, and since it is rightly established that those laws are decorous and honorable, but are hated by atheists, and atheists are said to comprise the most “educated” segment of the human race, then it would have taken a more decorous and honorable human to author them than even the most highly educated atheist. There’s a lot of looniness there. So, since I don’t accept divine authorship of the Ten Commandments, I must think that a great human authored them. But any great human cannot be an atheist? Is that what he’s saying? Is he saying that someone greater than any atheist must have written The Ten Commandments? I think he is, but that still doesn’t dovetail with his view that they must be of divine authorship. It dovetails nicely with his looniness, however. He returns to the theme: > [@](#): > > So, lets assume (in order to prove a point here) that atheists are right. If a human author them (and I speak as if insane), then we know for sure that no atheist, agnostic nor any other unbeliever had sense enough to author them. > > Why is that so? Because atheists are OPPOSED to GOD and His Holy COMMANDMENTS. And again, some even say the TEN COMMANDMENTS don’t exist. So if a human authored them, it was a person who had far more intelligence than any atheist, agnostic or unbeliever. > > However, the deep wisdom contained in the TEN COMMANDMENTS is far beyond human capabilities. The deep wisdom and righteousness contained in them proves their Divine authorship. Eh, the deep wisdom and righteousness proves divine authorship? Anyone who wrote the Ten Commandments must have been more intelligent than any non-believer? I think that’s the gist. The two still don’t really mesh, though: It’s perfectly possible to have a great human and not have a god. Backing away, nodding and grinning… Well, he’s loony tunes, no doubt about that. It’s a wonder such people can still have enough on the ball to stay out of prison. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/43 "2003-10-18T04:40:17Z")
This guy is Dr. Bronner’s evil twin. > [@](#): > > Snow White was a secret push for wanton sex… Mmmm…wontons. What? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/44 "2003-10-18T04:46:52Z")
You are a bunch of morons. The above was a lame attempt to a joke, but seriously people… Have you considered that _maybe_ there’s someone laughing at us. Maybe this guy typed all this nonsense in the same spirit that kids scribble insults in bathroom stalls? I have considered that possibility because believing that someone just enjoys the attention is much easier than believing there’s ONE person in the world THAT delusional. But don’t mind me, carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/45 "2003-10-18T04:49:31Z")
> [@](#): > > Maybe this guy typed all this nonsense in the same spirit that kids scribble insults in bathroom stalls? This would give me more reason to make fun of him than if he were serious. Your point? ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/46 "2003-10-18T05:01:47Z")
I like these tidbits from the SoL page… Freedom to make a living off foolish, vain and immoral employment. Freedom for women to foolishly seek to be equal with men. Freedom to practice obstetrics and gynecology as a male physician. Sounds good to me? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/47 "2003-10-18T05:09:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by **Ogre** \* > This would give me more reason to make fun of him than if he were serious. Your point? My point is that making fun of him is fun anyways, but wouldn’t we feel stupid if he’s laughing at us for believing that he really meant all that. I mean people, nobody can be THAT moronic and have survived to adulthood, can anyone? ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/48 "2003-10-18T05:14:06Z")
So this is what happens when the time cube guy gets religion. Honestly, people, there’s enough stupidity in the world without wallowing in it. He’s a moron with web access. It’s not like he’s rare or precious in this regard, and it’s not like we’ll do anything productive or cathartic by examining his excretions in detail. ---
**Author:** ![FisherQueen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@FisherQueen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FisherQueen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/49 "2003-10-18T05:50:00Z")
I’m not sure if I’m going to die two times or three. I’m a liberal and a death penalty opponant. I’m not technically a lesbian, but I am a single woman of thirty with short hair and sensible shoes, so I suppose he’d probably execute me based on the assumption that I am. Ironically, I’m also a Christian, which means that there is a sense in which this man is my brother. I feel a lot more kinship with assorted gay people, atheists, conservatives, and death penalty advocates on this board, though. But as a death penalty opponant, I do not think he should be executed. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/50 "2003-10-18T06:46:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*My point is that making fun of him is fun anyways, but wouldn’t we feel stupid if he’s laughing at us for believing that he really meant all that. I mean people, nobody can be THAT moronic and have survived to adulthood, can anyone? \*\* Who gives a fuck what _he_ thinks? ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/51 "2003-10-18T06:49:34Z")
**Mighty\_Girl** : That’s always the dilemma, isn’t it? Is it Real or is it Memorex… wait, that’s `Is it Real or is it Showmanship?’ Sorry. There are people like Gene Ray, the inventor of the Time Cube page (Google it if you’ve never had the pleasure). We _know_ he’s crazy: He’s done the lecture circuit arguing about his ideas, which are, on the whole, completely incoherent. He’s never once `let on’ in any way, after what’s been years of people asking him if he’s really serious. Gene Ray is delusional. There are people like those who created the website that promoted Bonzai Kittens. They got their jollies from putting people on. It was obvious that the page was a joke to anyone who knows anything about physiology, but there are a lot of ignorant people on this Earth. Those people are odd, but not to the point of insanity. So, what is Robert T. Lee? Is he a nutcase or a joker? I think he’s a nutcase. His particular rantings bear a resemblance to those like Fred Phelps (of the Westboro Baptist Church) and, to a lesser extent, Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell (of the Moral Majority). He can be singled out as an extreme representative of a group of extreme-Conservative Christian wingnuts that have been prevalent, in this incarnation, since the 1980s. (Those from the 1920s Revivalism movement were different in form, if not in general message.) Furthermore, there’s no hint of a smirk in his style. As I read it, they’re disorganized ramblings with recurring themes and loose `plots’ centered on vast Evil Groups that want to harm the author. In other words, the classic style exhibited by the delusional. I’m not a doctor, but I think it’s fairly obvious. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/52 "2003-10-18T14:51:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Derleth \* > \*\*So, what is Robert T. Lee? Is he a nutcase or a joker? I think he’s a nutcase. \*\* I think he’s a joker. I’ve seen the page before, and I sort of half remember that it was thoroughly debunked as a satire site. I could be wrong, but I’d be willing to bet up to and including $46.32 that it was created by a guy aged 23-34 who is a liberal atheist software developer from Jersey. In which case I doff my chapeau to the guy. ---
**Author:** ![ManiacalMike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@ManiacalMike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ManiacalMike)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/53 "2003-10-18T19:47:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Anybody out there hit the trifecta? All four? I gotta get killed four times? Geez, gonna be a rough day for me. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LorieSmurf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a587f6/32.png) [@LorieSmurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LorieSmurf)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/54 "2003-10-19T07:54:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vanilla \* > \*\*Hellz a Poppin? \*\* vanilla, since no one else has commented on this: I thought that was fuckin’ hilarious. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/55 "2003-10-19T10:30:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by robertliguori \* > \*\*…calling for the execution of death-penalty advocates. > > …twisted-logic…\*\* Twisted logic? Nah! Poetic justice. ---
**Author:** ![robertliguori](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/46a35a/32.png) [@robertliguori](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robertliguori)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/56 "2003-10-19T14:16:09Z")
> [@](#): > > I gotta get killed four times? Geez, gonna be a rough day for me. Getting killed is like loosing your virginity: once you’ve done it once, it doesn’t hurt as much and there’s usually less blood. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/57 "2003-10-19T15:27:35Z")
Strange, I don’t remember the hurting and the bleeding when I lost mine. ::thinks… perhaps I didn’t do it right:: ---
**Author:** ![Survivor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@Survivor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Survivor)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/58 "2003-10-19T16:07:04Z")
YEAH!!! I got all four!!! I’m so proud… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/59 "2003-10-19T19:34:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tdn \* > I think he’s a joker. I’ve seen the page before, and I sort of half remember that it was thoroughly debunked as a satire site. I could be wrong, but I’d be willing to bet up to and including $46.32 that it was created by a guy aged 23-34 who is a liberal atheist software developer from Jersey. I’d be interested to see your source for that if you can remember it. Are you sure you aren’t thinking of the Landover Baptist guys, though? I did find [this article](http://www.rickross.com/reference/nuwaubians/nuwaubians14.html) on the [“Nuwaubian” movement](http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/nuwaubians.html) which refers to “[a] Putnam County minister, Robert Lee, [who] publishes a vehemently anti-Nuwaubian newsletter condemning the group as satanic and has led marches protesting their development”. (The [Network Solutions WHOIS search](http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/index.jhtml) for “[tencommandments.org](http://tencommandments.org)” comes up with Robert Lee and an address in Eatonton, Georgia, which is in Putnam County.) It sounds to me like he’s real, all right. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2003, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011/60 "2003-10-20T09:47:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Debaser \* > \*\*I’m an athiest and against the death penalty. Does he want to kill me twice? > > I’m not liberal or homosexual, though. > > Anybody out there hit the trifecta? All four? \*\* I’m bisexual, but I don’t think this guy makes a difference either way. I’m a quadro-executee waiting to happen. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/homosexuals-atheists-liberals-and-death-penalty-opponents-should-be-executed/208011.md?page=4)