# Honestly, Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289 "2013-08-04T01:22:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/21 "2013-08-10T18:51:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I take it you concede that **Honesty** is dumb as shit? I’m not sure. The only data point i have to go with is that, at some point, she ran circles around you in a debate. But that’s not setting much of a bar, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/22 "2013-08-10T18:55:52Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t engage with this poster because of his insistence on hiding his position behind a cloak of ambiguity. I hadn’t realized there was any ambiguity in my position that you’re a stupid fucking douchebag. Actually, I know that you’re mentally ill. I shouldn’t be mean to you. Your stupidity, racism, and your obnoxious behavior are all symptoms of your mental illness and they’re out of your control. I should feel pity for you rather than anger with you. I just wish you wouldn’t post on this board. Maybe you could take your posting time, and instead spend that time with a therapist? ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/23 "2013-08-10T18:58:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’m not sure. The only data point i have to go with is that, at some point, she ran circles around you in a debate. Quote, cite, and link please. > [@](#): > > But that’s not setting much of a bar, is it? I have a feeling that in your view “running circles” = “saying stuff which agrees with your worldview,” so probably not. But let’s see your proof. Also, do you agree that there are many genetic differences among humans which do in fact lead to different proteins being synthesized? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/24 "2013-08-10T19:01:39Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Quote, cite, and link please. Post #13 of this thread is my cite. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/25 "2013-08-10T19:08:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Post #13 of this thread is my cite. Lol, nice circular reasoning. According to you, the reason I don’t engage with **Honesty** is that he “ran circles” around me. And the proof is that I don’t engage with **Honesty**. Let me ask you this: Does your principal apply universally? Or only to people you (presumably) disagree with? Anyway, I take it you concede that there are many genetic differences among humans which do in fact lead to different proteins being synthesized. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/26 "2013-08-10T19:29:10Z")
Hard to say if its a “universal principle,” as I’ve only ever met one pompous dickhead who struts around bragging about how many he can’t beat in a debate. If I ever meet a second one, I’ll let you know if its a general behavior, or something specific to yourself. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/27 "2013-08-10T19:35:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Hard to say if its a “universal principle,” as I’ve only ever met one pompous dickhead who struts around bragging about how many he can’t beat in a debate. Lol, I guess that means “no” – you apply your circular reasoning only to people you disagree with. Any other pearls of wisdom besides childish ad homenims? Because each time you try to change the subject I take it as a concession on the previous issue. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/28 "2013-08-10T19:38:41Z")
I’ve been staying on exactly the same subject in pretty much everyone of my posts in this thread, which is how much you, as an individual, suck. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/29 "2013-08-10T19:45:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I’ve been staying on exactly the same subject in pretty much everyone of my posts in this thread, which is how much you, as an individual, suck. Yes, it’s unfortunate that you are unable to actually rebut any of my arguments (or substantiate your own) and must resort to ad homenims. But, let’s assume for the sake of argument that I suck – it doesn’t change the fact that **Honesty** is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/30 "2013-08-10T20:55:51Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Yes, it’s unfortunate that you are unable to actually rebut any of my arguments (or substantiate your own) and must resort to ad homenims. This is pretty hilarious, coming from the guy who takes his refusal to rebut other people’s arguments as a point of pride. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/31 "2013-08-10T21:12:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > But, let’s assume for the sake of argument that I suck. I think that by now that has been accepted as an [axiom](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom) around here. No argument necessary.🙂 > [@](#): > > As classically conceived, an axiom is a premise so evident as to be accepted as true without controversy. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/32 "2013-08-10T21:19:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > This is pretty hilarious, coming from the guy who takes his refusal to rebut other people’s arguments as a point of pride. Nonsense, but even if it were true it would not change the fact that **Honesty** is stupid. Keep trying to change the subject. > [@Colibri](#): > > . . . I do not engage with this poster due to his past dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/33 "2013-08-10T21:46:38Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I don’t engage with this poster because of his insistence on hiding his position behind a cloak of ambiguity. Regular _Cloak of Ambiguity_ or _Elven Cloak of Ambiguity_? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/34 "2013-08-10T22:02:45Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Nonsense, but even if it were true it would not change the fact that **Honesty** is stupid. Keep trying to change the subject. > > I do not engage with this poster due to his past dishonesty. Fucking GOLD! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/35 "2013-08-10T22:13:42Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Fucking GOLD! Thanks!! And another nice attempt at changing the subject too. BTW **Honesty** is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/36 "2013-08-11T00:00:14Z")
> [@Inbred\_Mm\_domesticus](#): > > From what I’ve seen, **Honesty** has been an excellent example of how to soberly analyze genetic research. Post #54 points out the flaws of a lot of genetic association studies: weak correlations that are often not replicated, over-interpretation by the research’s cheerleaders, and no connect the dots between the expression of polymorphic genes and differences in a phenotype. True, Honesty is solid on genetics. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/37 "2013-08-11T00:18:50Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > True, Honesty is solid on genetics. Absolutely. I’m no expert, but I have a BS in molecular biology which helps me to detect when somebody is either full of shit, or knows what they are talking about. **Honesty** has a spot on understanding of the redundancy in the genetic code. I thought his or her response to this was pretty classy. **Smiling Bandit** , you are going to have to do more to prove to me **Honesty** deserves pitting. I read your links (though not the entire threads therein) and the only thing I can agree with is the statistics thing. That _was_ pretty stupid, but it struck me more as a brain fart than anything worth pitting. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/38 "2013-08-11T00:23:04Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Thanks!! And another nice attempt at changing the subject too. Nope, still the same one I’ve been posting about in literally every post I’ve made to this thread > [@](#): > > BTW **Honesty** is stupid. In addition to being dishonest, an intellectual coward, and absolutely _staggeringly_ hypocritical, you’re remarkably bad at insults, too. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/39 "2013-08-11T07:14:37Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I do not engage with this poster due to his past dishonesty. :D:D:D Really, the only humor you’re capable is inadvertent. As I’ve said before, I don’t engage with you due to your own ongoing dishonesty and quite incredible stupidity. Ridicule, however, is another matter. I was quite surprised to find you still posting here given the general contempt in which you are held on the board. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/40 "2013-08-11T07:22:01Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Nope, still the same one I’ve been posting about in literally every post I’ve made to this thread Which has nothing to do with the OP. > [@](#): > > In addition to being dishonest, an intellectual coward, and absolutely _staggeringly_ hypocritical, you’re remarkably bad at insults, too. More nonsense, except for the part about being bad at insults which I admit to. BTW **Honesty** is stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=3)