# Honestly, Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289 "2013-08-04T01:22:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/61 "2013-08-11T20:06:32Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > vBulletin does have that facility, called [Tachy goes to Coventry.](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tachy%20Goes%20To%20Coventry) That is freaking awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/62 "2013-08-11T20:22:18Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > That is freaking awesome. I suspect with someone as oblivious as **brazil84** he might keep posting for months before he figured out no one was responding to him.😃 ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2013, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/63 "2013-08-11T20:24:30Z")
I think we know next year’s April Fools Day trick. Everyone to Coventry! ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/64 "2013-08-12T02:45:21Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I think we know next year’s April Fools Day trick. > > Everyone to Coventry! Threads: 662,178, Posts: 16,434,536, Members: 151,560, Active Members: 1 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/65 "2013-08-12T02:47:03Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I do it when people break my rules of debate – not when they bet me. This is particularly funny. The idea that you might try to formulate “rules of debate” is rather like having Ed Wood give a lecture on cinematic technique. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/66 "2013-08-12T03:16:04Z")
Speaking of movies, maybe his rules of debate are based on killing others in their dreams… Oh, wait, that is the “Freddy Kruger Effect”… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/67 "2013-08-12T05:43:57Z")
**brazil84** , you are the only person I’ve seen that is stupid enough to turn any pit thread they participate in into a pitting of themselves. Every time you attempt to insult the original pit-ee, it ends up building them up higher in everyone else’s estimation. Truly an accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/68 "2013-08-12T06:39:25Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > **brazil84** , you are the only person I’ve seen that is stupid enough to turn any pit thread they participate in into a pitting of themselves. I would say it’s not stupidity but is instead unpopularity. My impression is that little people are always tempted to beat up on the unpopular in an attempt to prove their own standing. Of course none of this changes the fact that **Honesty** really is stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/69 "2013-08-12T07:43:10Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Of course none of this changes the fact that **Honesty** really is stupid. Tell ya what. Let’s meet each other half way. I’ll concede that **Honesty** is really stupid, if you’ll concede that she’s argued rings around you every time you two have disagreed. Deal? ---
**Author:** ![Cheshire\_Human](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Cheshire\_Human](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheshire_Human)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/70 "2013-08-12T07:47:40Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Please provide 3 examples of this with cites quotes and links. (Of course I don’t seriously expect you to back up your claims, but I feel honor-bound to give you a chance.) It wasn’t a _claim_, dumbfuck. It was pure derision. Go fuck a cactus. ETA: Aww, shit! I just engaged with it. I feel so dirty. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/71 "2013-08-12T10:35:56Z")
> [@Cheshire\_Human](#): > > It wasn’t a _claim_, dumbfuck. It was pure derision. Go fuck a cactus. Lol, fascinating distinction. But anyway, I have no interest in engaging with someone who won’t back up his claims – even if they are labeled as “derision.” Goodbye. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/72 "2013-08-12T10:39:45Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Tell ya what. Let’s meet each other half way. I’ll concede that **Honesty** is really stupid, if you’ll concede that she’s argued rings around you every time you two have disagreed. No thanks. I’ll consider the latter claim if you provide three examples of “arguing rings” with specific quotes and links. Last time I’m asking. I don’t seriously expect you to do so but I feel honor-bound to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/73 "2013-08-12T15:08:02Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I would say it’s not stupidity but is instead unpopularity. Of course the _reasons_ why you are so unpopular are your stupidity, dishonesty, and hypocrisy. Not to mention the juvenility of your repeated trumpeting of your ignore list. > [@brazil84](#): > > Last time I’m asking. Great. Again you don’t seem to understand that no one is interested in debating you here, because of your flagrant dishonesty and stupidity. All anyone is interested in doing is mocking you. > [@](#): > > I don’t seriously expect you to do so but I feel honor-bound to ask. Once again, a stunning example of your complete lack of self awareness. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/74 "2013-08-12T15:15:46Z")
So brasil84 is telling everyone that a poster is stupid even after it is clear that that “stupid” poster has demonstrated that he is accurate in a very important point. And the brasil nut is demanding evidence that he is ignoring before hand in the same thread. Yep, willful ignorant, and I have to say to the OP that if that is the quality of people that supports it I would question the reasons why this pit thread exists. ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/75 "2013-08-12T15:30:44Z")
**brazil84** , despite having unambiguously called several people in this thread dishonest, you ignore explicit and repeated requests to back this up. You also claim the following about **Honesty** : > [@](#): > > If I recall correctly, he seriously argued that DNA differences among people do not result in differences in the proteins which are synthesized. … but you similarly have not backed this up (and it seems to contradict **Honesty** ’s testimony here). And then you display derision toward those who won’t back up claims against _you_? This does not seem slightly ironic? ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/76 "2013-08-12T16:05:05Z")
While I agree that we should never miss a chance to reiterate what an assclown **brazil84** is, I feel we shouldn’t let that overlook the fact that **smiling bandit** had the nerve to call another poster out for his/her “ability to write long posts without the slightest similarity to anything remotely resembling reality, instead filling the verbiage with a montage of irrelevancies, simpering emotional engineering, and a complete lack of any objective facts that might be useful to the discussion at hand.” That’s pretty bold coming from a junior **Sam Stone**. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/77 "2013-08-12T17:56:52Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > This does not seem slightly ironic? You think “slight irony” is going to sink in to his head, when he’s completely oblivious to such nuances as “obvious reality” and “blatant falsehoods”? ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/78 "2013-08-12T18:40:14Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > You think “slight irony” is going to sink in to his head, when he’s completely oblivious to such nuances as “obvious reality” and “blatant falsehoods”? I’m sure he thinks [irony is the opposite of wrinkly.](http://www.spreadshirt.com/irony-the-opposite-of-wrinkly-C3376A8390721) ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/79 "2013-08-12T22:11:34Z")
> [@Paranoid\_Randroid](#): > > **brazil84** , despite having unambiguously called several people in this thread dishonest, you ignore explicit and repeated requests to back this up. If I did so, it was either because I inadvertently missed the request or the requester is on my shit list so I did not read his request. I am happy to attempt to give you some backup – are you seriously skeptical of my accusations? And for which posters? > [@](#): > > You also claim the following about **Honesty** : > > … but you similarly have not backed this up Are you seriously skeptical that **Honesty** made such an argument? If so, I will try to dig it up. > [@](#): > > And then you display derision toward those who won’t back up claims against _you_? This does not seem slightly ironic? If there is somebody who is not on my shit list who asks for backup, I generally try to provide it – provided they tell me they are seriously skeptical of the claim I made. (Some people ask for backup simply as a rhetorical device and not because they really question the claim at issue) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/80 "2013-08-12T22:20:38Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > (Some people ask for backup simply as a rhetorical device and not because they really question the claim at issue) Ah the irony (and the dishonesty). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=5)