# Honestly, Honesty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 4, 2013, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289 "2013-08-04T01:22:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/101 "2013-08-15T01:46:40Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > No response, brazil? It’s pretty clear that he misrepresented **Honesty** ’s claims. That’s strawmanning, and he won’t stand for it. Obviously he had no choice but to add himself to his ignore list. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/102 "2013-08-15T01:55:07Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > It’s pretty clear that he misrepresented **Honesty** ’s claims. That’s strawmanning, and he won’t stand for it. Obviously he had no choice but to add himself to his ignore list. Yeah, but all that means is he doesn’t read his posts after writing them. I don’t see how that’s any different than before. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/103 "2013-08-15T02:12:23Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Yeah, but all that means is he doesn’t read his posts after writing them. I don’t see how that’s any different than before. 4 years ago I posted this observation of his behavior: "He is like the Nowhere man from Yellow Submarine: **Ringo:** Were your notices [from others] good? **Jeremy (Nowhere Man):** “It’s my policy never to read my reviews.”" ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/104 "2013-08-15T02:27:44Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > What **Honesty** disputes – and what is stupid – is that there are lots of genetic differences among people and groups of people which DO result in measurable differences among people and populations. That’s it. I give up. I’m going to start calling you **Hydrophobic Horse**. We can lead you to water, but… ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/105 "2013-08-15T02:30:18Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > That’s it. I give up. I’m going to start calling you **Hydrophobic Horse**. We can lead you to water, but… Don’t just be bluffing on the giving up part. Do it. SAVE YOURSELF. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/106 "2013-08-15T02:53:10Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > It’s pretty clear that he misrepresented **Honesty** ’s claims. That’s strawmanning, and he won’t stand for it. Obviously he had no choice but to add himself to his ignore list. Doesn’t ignoring oneself violate one of the Zermelo axioms? It certainly violates SDMB policy: I’ve found it appropriate several times but only get _“We can’t help you ignore yourself.”_ (That’s more or less what my psychiatrist was trying to tell me, I think.) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/107 "2013-08-15T03:16:31Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > That’s it. I give up. I’m going to start calling you **Hydrophobic Horse**. We can lead you to water, but… …he’s rabid, and needs to be put down for his own good? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/108 "2013-08-15T03:35:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > …he’s rabid, and needs to be put down for his own good? I was hoping somebody would pick up on that. ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/109 "2013-08-15T06:22:08Z")
My, and I hadn’t opened this thread before now figuring it would just be **smiling bandit** doing an unintentional self pitting only to discover brazilnut has turned it into a pitting of himself. I find it quite amusing that five years later he still has his [blog](http://brazil84.wordpress.com/my-rules-of-debate/) with his rules of debate and the enemies list of SDMBer’s whom he’s ‘banned’ from the interwebs who he’s banned so thoroughly as to delete their names from history, only referring to them as the poster known as “\*\*\*\*\*\*\*”. Any remotely sane person would have deleted the blog out of sheer embarrassment of the childish stupidity of it by now. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/110 "2013-08-15T08:58:49Z")
> [@armedmonkey](#): > > That’s it. I give up. Suit yourself – I note you haven’t denied that what **Honesty** said in the previous thread was dead wrong. Also, nobody can reasonably deny that there is a major difference between the following claims: (1) Mutations in the genetic code don’t always translate into changes in the protein. (2) Differences in the genetic code do not result in changes in proteins except for unusual situations resulting from infection-induced bottlenecks. If you had the slightest amount of intellectual honesty you would, at a minimum, admit that what **Honesty** said in the previous thread is different from what you have said he said. But obviously it’s more important to you to be one of the popular kids on an internet message board. To “profit” as **scabpicker** would say. > [@](#): > > I’m going to start calling you **Hydrophobic Horse**. We can lead you to water, but… “Koolaid-Phobic Horse” would be more appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2013, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/111 "2013-08-15T11:01:56Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Also, nobody can reasonably deny that there is a major difference between the following claims: > > (1) Mutations in the genetic code don’t always translate into changes in the protein. > > (2) Differences in the genetic code do not result in changes in proteins except for unusual situations resulting from infection-induced bottlenecks. You have failed to provide a citation that Honesty made such a claim. The citation you have provided did not include that claim, and in fact did not include any untrue statement. We await evidence that such a claim exists. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/112 "2013-08-18T20:34:25Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > . . . I do not engage with this poster do to his past conduct. In case **Paranoid Randroid** is curious, what happened is that, among other things **Smeghead** asserted that I had “abused the scientific method.” However he refused to provide the particulars of what exactly I had supposedly done and why it was “abuse” in his view. I have no interest in engaging with people who simply assert conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/113 "2013-08-18T20:46:32Z")
And \*\*Smeghead \*\*joins the exclusive club! Dang, it is getting crowded in the lobby! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2013, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/114 "2013-08-18T21:46:18Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Suit yourself – I note you haven’t denied that what **Honesty** said in the previous thread was dead wrong. What **Honesty** said in the previous thread wasn’t wrong, you fucking idiot. She was talking about haplogroups, which are based on differences in mutations which are not believed to be under selection. Her statement was correct. And she didn’t say what you are pretending she said. You’re not only too stupid to understand the argument, you’re too stupid to understand why she’s right and you’re wrong. Being called stupid by you is like being called short by a Munchkin. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/115 "2013-08-20T19:13:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > . . . . I do not engage with this poster. In case **Paranoid Randroid** is curious as to why, here is what I said in a previous thread: > [@](#): > > First, GIGOBuster. I no longer engage with this poster because he refused to answer a simple, reasonable question which would have helped me to understand his position. > > Here is a link to the thread, in case anyone is interested: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=510782](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/...d.php?t=510782) > > Of course, this doesn’t mean that GIGOBuster is a bad person. I simply prefer not to debate with people who will not answer simple, reasonable questions. > > I will note, however, that I do have a lot of contempt for GIGOBuster. For example, in the same thread there was an exchange between me and chronos in which chronos made a claim about the rate of increase of temperature. I responded to that claim. GIGOBuster responded to my response but completely missed the point. He doesn’t seem to understand that chronos and I were talking about rates of increase and not the amounts of increase. > > I’m not sure if GIGOBuster actually stupid or just doesn’t read or write English very well, but he really manifests a lot of arrogant stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/116 "2013-08-20T19:37:39Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I have no interest in engaging with people who simply assert conclusions. Oh my god, I’m dying over here. The irony is so thick, I won’t have wrinkles for a year. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/117 "2013-08-20T21:10:43Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I do not engage with this poster do to his past conduct. In case **Paranoid Randroid** is curious, what happened is that, among other things **Smeghead** asserted that I had “abused the scientific method.” However he refused to provide the particulars of what exactly I had supposedly done and why it was “abuse” in his view. > > I have no interest in engaging with people who simply assert conclusions. How do you feel about people who hide behind imagined personal slights to avoid having to confront arguments that prove them wrong? Coward. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/118 "2013-08-20T21:43:52Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > How do you feel about people who hide behind imagined personal slights to avoid having to confront arguments that prove them wrong? > > Coward. QFT, As one can see from his previous reply, he is even unaware how how wrong he is about me, and no, this is not false modesty, at least on the subject of Global Warming more than one scientist has told me that I do get it right, and the willful brazilian nut, the Nowhere Man, is not even getting help from Ringo. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/119 "2013-08-20T21:51:19Z")
The funny thing was that I was really only marginally annoyed with Honesty in any case, and managed to accept that his/her/its style just really irritates me and there’s nothing to do about it. I had kinda forgotten this thread existed. It’s sort of grown - mutated as it were - into a horrible beast with three heads and slimy green skin. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2013, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289/120 "2013-08-20T23:03:16Z")
Christ Jesus, **smiling bandit** , you suck. You start a pit thread without backing up jack shit, and then conveniently ignore it. If this episode is any indication, paying any attention to you is a waste of goddamn time. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honestly-honesty/665289.md?page=7)