# Hong Kong is NOT a libertarian success story

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**Created:** [January 12, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hong-kong-is-not-a-libertarian-success-story/480927 "2009-01-12T16:34:51Z")\
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**Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hong-kong-is-not-a-libertarian-success-story/480927/32 "2009-01-14T20:53:54Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> Let us see a cite that Hong Kong allows unlimited real free emmigration.
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> The USA gets several hundred thousand illegal Chinese immigrants a year.  
> [Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_the_United_States#Present-day_countries_of_origin)
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> [Illegal emigration - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_emigration#China)  
> [edit] China  
> It is illegal for a citizen of China to emigrate without getting permission from the Chinese government.[11]
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> About 100,000 Chinese citizens do get to immigrate legaly to the USA each year. The number of Americans going to China to be permant residents is deminimus.

NO. Don’t change the subject. We are talking about Hong Kong. Hong Kong. Remember?

You asserted "They also do not and can not spend any money on defence, and they live in daily fear of the Red Chinese army walking in. " which is quite ignorant and nonsense because, as has been said, the “Red Chinese army” “walked in” over a decade ago. And to say they cannot spend money on defense is like saying New York cannot spend money on defense. They each spend money on defense through their national governments.

I do not have to show you people are free to travel from HK because I have had several friends from HK visit me in America and Europe. You are the one claiming persecution and lack of freedom in Hong Kong (while Sam Stone claims what makes HK work is precisely the existence of freedom).

So, where are the refugees? I am waiting for a cite. How many people have fled HK in the last five years due to political persecution? (The part about the red army “walking in” has already been shown to be nonsense.)

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