# Hong Kong is NOT a libertarian success story **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 12, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hong-kong-is-not-a-libertarian-success-story/480927 "2009-01-12T16:34:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 33
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2009, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hong-kong-is-not-a-libertarian-success-story/480927/33 "2009-01-14T22:52:11Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > NO. Don’t change the subject. We are talking about Hong Kong. Hong Kong. Remember? > > You asserted "They also do not and can not spend any money on defence, and they live in daily fear of the Red Chinese army walking in. " which is quite ignorant and nonsense because, as has been said, the “Red Chinese army” “walked in” over a decade ago. > I do not have to show you people are free to travel from HK because I have had several friends from HK visit me in America and Europe. So, where are the refugees? I am waiting for a cite. How many people have fled HK in the last five years due to political persecution? (The part about the red army “walking in” has already been shown to be nonsense.) We _are_ talking China when we talk Hong Kong. Hong Kong is part of China, they use Chinese passorts. Thus emigration form Hong Kong is not tracked separatly. > **[Hong Kong Special Administrative Region passport](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hong_Kong_Special_Administrative_Region_passport)** > > 32 pages – HK$370 > 48 pages – HK$460 > For children aged under 16: > 32 pages – HK$185 > 48 pages – HK$230 > High Court > District Court Oh, you had freinds from HK visit you, so that obviously refutes my cite that > **[Illegal emigration](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_emigration#China)** > > Illegal emigration is departure from a country in violation of emigration laws. Countries often seek to regulate who departs a country for diverse reasons, such as stopping suspected criminals from leaving, preventing labor shortages and capital flight, and averting brain drain. The simplest case is when a country prohibits certain persons from physically leaving. Another common situation is when a person legally goes abroad but refuses to return when demanded by their country of origin. > Special... _China It is illegal for a citizen of China to emigrate without getting permission from the Chinese government._ Did they _emigrate_? Did they have permission? It is true that holders of that special version of the Chinese passport are allowed visa-free entry to several nations, \*for a visit. \* Note that a lot of dudes from China and VietNam want to migrate _to_ Hong Kong, so I didn’t say it was so bad people are leaving en masse. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hong-kong-is-not-a-libertarian-success-story/480927)._