# Honorable Republicans - are you out there? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 22, 2005, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691 "2005-07-22T19:02:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/81 "2005-07-23T16:49:04Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Shouldn’t the Republicans be held to the same standard? Absolutely, the pendulum goes both ways. > [@Janeane Garofalo](#): > > “If you’re a Republican… you’re either dumb… or you’re cruel.” When Janeane Garafalo shows me her educational background in political science, environemental science, sociology, economics, or any other related or semi-related topic, I might care what she thinks. This goes for any other political comentator out there, Republican or Democratic. I don’t care what the Dixie Chicks or Bruce Springstein think, I don’t care what Martin Sheen thinks, I don’t care what Ahnold thinks, or what Jay Leno thinks. I don’t care what Sean Hannity thinks, or Joe Scarborough thinks, or Chris Matthews thinks. I don’t care what Rush Limbaugh thinks, or what Al Franken thinks, or what they think of each other. I want the facts, unfortunately very few people actually present the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. > [@Sam Stone](#): > > The problem with the Democratic party is that apparently it is full of cow orkers. Alas, this is why I struggle with supporting the Democratic party 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/82 "2005-07-23T16:57:55Z")
> [@xbuckeye](#): > > When Janeane Garafalo shows me her educational background in political science, environemental science, sociology, economics, or any other related or semi-related topic, I might care what she thinks. Ask, and **Bosda** shall provide! [Her Biography](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeane_Garofalo) > [@](#): > > While studying history at Providence College, Garofalo entered a comedy talent search sponsored by the Showtime cable network, winning the title of “Funniest Person in Rhode Island.” Dreaming of earning a slot on the writing staff of the Late Night With David Letterman program, she became a professional standup upon graduating college with degrees in History and American Studies but struggled for a number of years, working briefly as a bike messenger in Boston. History & American Studies would seem tolerably _good_ qualifications. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/83 "2005-07-23T17:38:42Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > The problem with the Democratic party is that apparently it is full of cow orkers. > > Think of the cows, man. Pfft. How’s the love affair with the Boaters going, Sam? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/84 "2005-07-23T17:39:58Z")
> [@Bosda Di'Chi of Tricor](#): > > Ask, and **Bosda** shall provide! > [Her Biography](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janeane_Garofalo) > > History & American Studies would seem tolerably _good_ qualifications. I might actually have to start caring what she thinks then… > [@](#): > > Garofalo is a self-described pessimist: “I guess I just prefer to see the dark side of things. The glass is always half empty. And cracked. And I just cut my lip on it. And chipped a tooth.” This however, may stand in my way. My assignment for next week is to listen to the majority report with as open a mind as I can. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/85 "2005-07-23T20:51:12Z")
> [@xbuckeye](#): > > I might actually have to start caring what she thinks then. Nah! Book learnin’ doesn’t necessarily translate to judgement and discernment. Not at all. ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/86 "2005-07-23T23:13:58Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Nah! Book learnin’ doesn’t necessarily translate to judgement and discernment. Not at all. I didn’t promise to vote blue in '08 yet, just give to her a chance with a reasonably open mind. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2005, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/87 "2005-07-23T23:38:42Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > It’s possible that the reason people are saying Bush is a bad President is because he really is a bad President. I’ll go further: he is a bad human being. ---
**Author:** ![xbuckeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9e8a1a/32.png) [@xbuckeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xbuckeye)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/88 "2005-07-24T00:16:05Z")
Ok, I just listened to [this](http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=airam/airam/demand/TheMajorityReport/7-15-05/TheMajorityReport.wma&proto=mms&mswmext=.asx) (opens windows media file) clip of Janeane Garafolo and I am not impressed. Apparently I am an American Idiot. I am emotionally immature, I am cruel, I’m a racist, I am stone cold stupid, have anger management issues, I am a ‘nasty mo-fo’, and dumb with a low consciousness and I have no critical thinking ability. :rolleyes: If this is the best, or even representative of her show, I am not impressed. Mocking, insulting, and name-calling isn’t convincing anyone. I don’t listen to any talk radio, but I am guessing that both sides sound alot like this sample. This isn’t politics, this is grade-school nanny-nanny boo-boo. :rolleyes: some more. If I wanted name-calling, I’d open more political threads on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/89 "2005-07-24T00:26:12Z")
> [@xbuckeye](#): > > Ok, I just listened to [this](http://play.rbn.com/play.asx?url=airam/airam/demand/TheMajorityReport/7-15-05/TheMajorityReport.wma&proto=mms&mswmext=.asx) (opens windows media file) clip of Janeane Garafolo and I am not impressed. Apparently I am an American Idiot. I am emotionally immature, I am cruel, I’m a racist, I am stone cold stupid, have anger management issues, I am a ‘nasty mo-fo’, and dumb with a low consciousness and I have no critical thinking ability. :rolleyes: > If this is the best, or even representative of her show, I am not impressed. Mocking, insulting, and name-calling isn’t convincing anyone. I don’t listen to any talk radio, but I am guessing that both sides sound alot like this sample. This isn’t politics, this is grade-school nanny-nanny boo-boo. :rolleyes: some more. > If I wanted name-calling, I’d open more political threads on the SDMB. Dude, do you like, have a secret crush on this chic? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/90 "2005-07-24T02:02:59Z")
I’m not sure why you Republicans in this thread even play along with this crap. Hey Democrats, are you evil, or just stupid? Please tell us in detail just what makes you so incapable of rational thought. While you’re at it, please don’t forget to denounce the Democratic party, because ‘everyone knows’ they are both evil and stupid. Last chance to redeem yourselves! Of course, I offer this in the purest spirit of civility and cooperation. So all you ‘good’ Democrats willing to renounce the rest of them, speak up! ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/91 "2005-07-24T02:15:36Z")
Can we please not argue? I hate it when you argue like this. ☹ You both suck equally. : d+r : ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/92 "2005-07-24T03:40:47Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > I’m not sure why you Republicans in this thread even play along with this crap. > > Hey Democrats, are you evil, or just stupid? Please tell us in detail just what makes you so incapable of rational thought. While you’re at it, please don’t forget to denounce the Democratic party, because ‘everyone knows’ they are both evil and stupid. > > Last chance to redeem yourselves! > > Of course, I offer this in the purest spirit of civility and cooperation. So all you ‘good’ Democrats willing to renounce the rest of them, speak up! Ah, the spurious argument I ordered has arrived. Let me spell this out for you **Sam**. Yes there are crooks, liars, and thieves on both sides of the aisle and maybe even a few in the middle. If we could only call ourselves good people if the policital party we belong to is completely devoid of evildoers we’d all be screwed. Don’t you think this is different, though? Don’t you think this administration is 100 times worse than the usual? Whenever we go to the polls, we make a choice between “the lesser of two evils.” In the past I’ve always been comforted by the fact that either person winning isn’t going to make all that much of a difference. **It was different in 2004**. I’m now very concerned with where my country is going, and it’s because the “Republicans” are in control, and not acting like Republicans. Where is their honor? How much of their political crap are you going to let them force feed you before you decide you’ve had enough? George W. Bush is wearing my religion on his sleeve, showing the world he’s a deeply religious person. Meanwhile when someone in the office next to his violates national security, what does he do? **NOTHING.** This is an honorable, Christian man? A good person would have talked to Rove when this happened and done one of two things: he’d either fire him immediately, or stand by him and publically proclaim his innocence. Instead, like he always does - George W. Bush playing politics. As a fellow Christian - I’m ashamed and outraged by his lack of character. As a fellow Republican, you should be too. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/93 "2005-07-24T03:57:16Z")
Psst… **Slacker** … **Sam’s** not a Republican. He’s a Bush supporter and all, but only as an observer. Sam is Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/94 "2005-07-24T04:09:45Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > I’ll go further: he is a bad human being. You’re far too kind. I wouldn’t even give him status as a human being. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/95 "2005-07-24T04:53:34Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > I’m not sure why you Republicans in this thread even play along with this crap. > > Hey Democrats, are you evil, or just stupid? Please tell us in detail just what makes you so incapable of rational thought. … Sam, you ignore the substantiated points in the OP. Visit Langley someday in Washington DC. Off to the corner is a decorated wall; emblazened with gold stars, one for each intelligence officer who made the ultimate sacrifice. In most cases, we don’t know their names: they lived and died under cover. Those endangering the lives of our agents - who ask for and expect no public recognition for their efforts - for cheap political purposes should feel a tenacious, uncleansable sense of shame. It’s really not that difficult. Don’t burn the country’s intelligence assets. Valerie Plame can no longer work undercover. Every foreign official that worked with her is now potentially under suspicion. The cover of her place of work was also blown. Every employee of _that_ shell corp has also been IDed, along with their contacts. And the ramifications continue. I quote Jim Marcinkowski, former CIA case officer: > [@](#): > > “What has suffered irreversible damage is the credibility of our case officers when they try to convince an overseas contact that their safety is of primary importance to us…” > > “Each time the political machine made up of prime-time patriots and partisan ninnies display their ignorance by deriding Valerie Plame as a mere paper pusher or belittling the varying degrees of cover used to protect our officers or continuing to play partisan politics with our national security, it’s a disservice to this country.” This is no way to fight international terrorism or weapons proliferation. The Executive branch needs to do some spring cleaning, even if it confuses their base of support. A question remains, however: which modern US conservatives place country above ideology? ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/96 "2005-07-24T05:39:22Z")
As was reading so many posts where people talk about how unbelievably awful our governement is, I remembered a thread I started 3 years ago right after the midterms called "[I am in Despair](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=142902&page=1&pp=50&highlight=Bush) ". I was mocked for being a drama queen… I only drop in occasionally…does anyone know if Lieu, for instance, still stands by these words: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lieu in 2002 \* \*\* > Gore’s lack of character and integrity that disturbs me, not his platform. > > I didn’t hate the political decisions Clinton made. I hated the fact he literally EXECUTED the respect the office once held. I reserve the right to hold my public servants, especially the president, to a higher standard. > > If decisions on taxes, spending and prescription drugs reflect the elected choice of the people, I’m perfectly happy to go along with the public good. But also, if I feel that those in charge are admirable men and women of character, I sleep at night just fine. > > I respect Colin and Dick and Condeleeza. They’re my pillow. > > Here’s your choice… sit on your pacifist ass and let Al Quaeda get chems or nukes from Unkie Saddam and float 'em over here only to then realize in a mushroom moment just how truly wrong you were… > or… > hit all that are literally DYING to inflict harm on us right now to prevent the impending attacks. > > \*\* Maybe I’ll ask him the same question he asked me: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by \* \*\* > Are you fucking kidding me? At just which goddamn degree does he become objectionable? How many lies must he tell? Huuuuh? At just which point did you quit looking to an elected leader for inspiration and guidance instead of for a 65th shade of grey? > \*\* I wonder if Rickjay feels quite as strongly as he did then: > [@](#): > > * * * > > Stoid, there is such a thing as lying by degree. You’re lying by degree. Saying “Bush is a bad President and I disagree with X, Y and Z, plus I think he’ll do A, B and C” is fine. I happen to agree he’s a bad President. Saying “I weep for my nation; all is lost; our freedoms will be taken from us, Bush is evil, the evil Republicans will ruin everything” is idiotic, and that’s essentially what you’re doing. If it’s raining, it’s true if you say “It is raining.” It is dishonest to say “Fire and brimstone is raining from the sky and will destroy the earth.” > \*\* He…just found this challenge of mine from that thread: > [@](#): > > * * * > > Therefore, I shall take this space to make a Wild Prediction, bookmark this page so you can throw it in my face when I am wrong: > > The inspectors will report that there are no weapons of mass destruction, and they’ve looked everywhere, maybe even in Sammanuel Hustein’s palaces. > > The Resident will then tell us that the inspectors are wrong/ they just missed it/ some super-secret special agent has told them this, so they gotta attack him anyway. > \*\* I’m amazing! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/97 "2005-07-24T05:40:54Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Psst… **Slacker** … **Sam’s** not a Republican. He’s a Bush supporter and all, but only as an observer. Sam is Canadian. My pet theory is that **Sam** is encouraging Americans to vote GOP so that our nation will self-destruct that much quicker, leaving us all easy pickins’ from Canada’s secret squad of hockey-stick-wielding commandos ready to swarm over our northern border, annex us, and make us all memorize Bob and Doug McKenzie routines. Devious plan, eh hosers? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/98 "2005-07-24T06:04:21Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You’re far too kind. I wouldn’t even give him status as a human being. Maybe it’s just me, but declaring the President not-human seems over the line. Probably OK for the Pit, but… jeez, tacky. C’mon, Guin. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/99 "2005-07-24T07:48:36Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > My pet theory is that **Sam** is encouraging Americans to vote GOP so that our nation will self-destruct that much quicker, leaving us all easy pickins’ from Canada’s secret squad of hockey-stick-wielding commandos ready to swarm over our northern border, annex us, and make us all memorize Bob and Doug McKenzie routines. You’re much too subtle for my taste. Too me, **Sam’s** just a gutless and bloodthirsty, cheerleadin’ lockstepper from afar. Not to mention a braggart and an insufferable prick, but then again, no need to be unduly harsh. 'cause, you see, it’s all done under the cover of faux politeness – a self-appointed cosmopolitan version of **december** if you will. BTW, great thread, **Slacker**. Wish honorable Americans such as yourself all the best in wrestling your nation back from those who’ve led it so far down the gutter. Wasn’t that long ago that I mostly admired your nation. Would that I’d be given the chance one more time. And I know that I am hardly alone in expressing said feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2005, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691/100 "2005-07-24T07:53:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Sam’s just a gutless and bloodthirsty, cheerleadin’ lockstepper from afar. Not to mention a braggart and an insufferable prick, but then again, no need to be unduly harsh. 'cause, you see, it’s all done under the cover of faux politeness – a self-appointed cosmopolitan version of december if you will. You should switch to Sanka. You’re getting spittle on your keyboard. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/honorable-republicans-are-you-out-there/313691.md?page=6)