# Hope for the Republican Party of the future? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 11, 2014, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423 "2014-03-11T13:28:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/401 "2014-03-29T12:28:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They aren’t evil, they just respond logically to incentives. Increasing opportunity is harder than just handing out money, and it’s easy to rationalize handing out money when it directly buys you voters. > > Now maybe I’d believe Democrats were truly altruistic on poverty if they didn’t attack poor people who vote Republican or regard them as hypocrites for accepting public assistance and then voting Republican. You’d almost think Democrats were angry that some voters don’t stay bought. More complete and unsupported bullshit. I’m not going to dignify this pathetic, worthless, Sean Hannity diarrhea with any sort of response. Just pathetic if you actually believe this crap. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/402 "2014-03-29T12:33:17Z")
It’s just as supportable as “Republicans are racist and employ dog whistle politics to win racist white voters.” That’s an article of faith among liberals, even liberal Dopers. Don’t like it to be turned around on you? But hey, we can get back to the subject of “Hope for the Republican party” if you want. Hope for the GOP involves something fairly simple: more rich Americans, fewer poor Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/403 "2014-03-29T12:35:37Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But hey, we can get back to the subject of “Hope for the Republican party” if you want. Hope for the GOP involves something fairly simple: more rich Americans, fewer poor Americans. Has the GOP come up with some new ideas to accomplish that? Because we’ve had lower taxes and fewer regulations for ten years, and it hasn’t done squat. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/404 "2014-03-29T12:36:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s just as supportable as “Republicans are racist and employ dog whistle politics to win racist white voters.” I’ve never said this about “Republicans”. I may have said it about individuals, and it is true for some individuals. > [@](#): > > That’s an article of faith among liberals, even liberal Dopers. Don’t like it to be turned around on you? Turned around on me? I haven’t done it. And if you’re saying you believe a big pile o’ bullshit just because some liberals believe a different big pile o’ bullshit, then that doesn’t reflect particularly well on you. > [@](#): > > But hey, we can get back to the subject of “Hope for the Republican party” if you want. Hope for the GOP involves something fairly simple: more rich Americans, fewer poor Americans. This is hope for America. I don’t believe this would necessarily benefit the Republican party, unless the party changes in a major way. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/405 "2014-03-29T12:41:08Z")
Exit polling shows that even minorities increase their likelihood of voting Republican when they have money. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/406 "2014-03-29T12:45:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Exit polling shows that even minorities increase their likelihood of voting Republican when they have money. Correlation does not equal causation. If you believe the crap you spewed before, then that’s pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/407 "2014-03-29T12:47:49Z")
People vote their interests. If your primary interest is not having your money taken away in taxes, you’ll vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/408 "2014-03-29T12:49:04Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Exit polling shows that even minorities increase their likelihood of voting Republican when they have money. That would require Republicans supporting policies that increase the wealth of poor people. The cognitive dissonance must be excruciating! ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/409 "2014-03-29T12:52:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > People vote their interests. If your primary interest is not having your money taken away in taxes, you’ll vote Republican. Finally, some agreement. Yes, for people whose primary interest is getting their taxes as low as possible, they will probably support the Republican party. Thankfully, this is not the primary interest of most Americans. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2014, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/410 "2014-03-30T21:28:24Z")
Bill Maher got his guests good making the same point I made. He made them think a Michelle Obama quote was a Paul Ryan quote: [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/29/bill-maher-tricks-guests-with-racist-paul-ryan-quote-that-was-actually-said-by-michelle-obama-the-reaction-he-gets-is-priceless/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/29/bill-maher-tricks-guests-with-racist-paul-ryan-quote-that-was-actually-said-by-michelle-obama-the-reaction-he-gets-is-priceless/) Interesting reply from one of the guests: **Bell then defended Michelle Obama’s comments, saying “she was talking to black people — we talk to each other differently than we talk in front of you.”** Okay, so Ryan wasn’t being racist, he was being presumptious. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/411 "2014-03-31T00:45:47Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Bill Maher got his guests good making the same point I made. He made them think a Michelle Obama quote was a Paul Ryan quote: > > [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/29/bill-maher-tricks-guests-with-racist-paul-ryan-quote-that-was-actually-said-by-michelle-obama-the-reaction-he-gets-is-priceless/](http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/29/bill-maher-tricks-guests-with-racist-paul-ryan-quote-that-was-actually-said-by-michelle-obama-the-reaction-he-gets-is-priceless/) > > Interesting reply from one of the guests: **Bell then defended Michelle Obama’s comments, saying “she was talking to black people — we talk to each other differently than we talk in front of you.”** > Okay, so Ryan wasn’t being racist, he was being presumptious. Michelle’s quote was different from what Ryan said, and in any case, has nothing to do with whether it was reasonable to interpret Ryan’s statement as racist and objectionable. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/412 "2014-03-31T03:40:38Z")
It is different, but it demonstrated that who the speaker is matters to the listener when determining whether something is racist or not. Although it does not matter objectively. The panel thought that what she said was racist when they didn’t know she said it. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/413 "2014-03-31T09:04:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It is different, but it demonstrated that who the speaker is matters to the listener when determining whether something is racist or not. Although it does not matter objectively. > > The panel thought that what she said was racist when they didn’t know she said it. Who cares about the panel? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/414 "2014-03-31T09:34:20Z")
It demonstrates that perceptions of racism have more to do with who says something than what is actually said. It’s not like Democrats never make racially-based gaffes, but the fallout is much more limited because of who they are. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/415 "2014-03-31T11:21:50Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It demonstrates that perceptions of racism have more to do with who says something than what is actually said. It demonstrates the perceptions of no one except for that panel (or the one guy on that panel). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423/416 "2014-03-31T13:37:09Z")
I don’t think it’s a secret that white people have to be more careful than black people in choosing their words when discussing black people. Nor is that necessarily a bad thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hope-for-the-republican-party-of-the-future/683423.md?page=20)