# (Hoping to be well meaning) SUV rant. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 29, 2004, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736 "2004-02-29T09:18:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/21 "2004-03-01T11:58:25Z")
There should be special gas pumps for SUV’s. And these pumps would charge $10. per gallon. ---
**Author:** ![Eleusis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Eleusis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleusis)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/22 "2004-03-01T12:20:36Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > The reason people like me hate SUV’s is the invincible feeling it seems to give imbiciles. Define “people like you”. I’ll give it a shot: _“Pansy-ass tree-hugging hippie liberal do-gooder commie who knows what’s better for everybody else than they do themselves and thinks we should legislate away all personal responsibility.”_ Have you considered the possibility that you just NOTICE the imbiciles who happen to drive SUVs because of that huge fucking chip on your shoulder? > [@](#): > > Fucking physics, fucking physics, fucking physics!, Am I making my point clear yet! It’s fucking physics that makes SUVs different, and your absurd complex of trying to feel discrimnated against doesn’t change the fucking physics. _Well meaning_, indeed. Fuck you and your fucking physics. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/23 "2004-03-01T13:07:19Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Fucking physics, fucking physics, fucking physics!, Am I making my point clear yet! It’s fucking physics that makes SUVs different, and your absurd complex of trying to feel discrimnated against doesn’t change the fucking physics. Actually, I’ve never even felt like going out on a casual date with physics, never mind getting intimate. > [@](#): > > It’s a simple matter of physics here people. Idiots who don’t understand that post replies like this. And it’s nimrods who are fixated on one type of vehicle and are hyper-attentive to the minute details of how they are driven, to the exclusion of all the other dopes on the road. Not to mention imbeciles who don’t know how to spell “imbecile”. ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/24 "2004-03-01T13:12:54Z")
Is there any evidence that SUV drivers are more likely to be at fault in an accident? ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/25 "2004-03-01T13:33:58Z")
Hey \*\* wolfman \*\*, I also live in the Denver area and I’m absolutely amazed at the vast majority of people who don’t know how to drive any type of vehicle in the snow. My household has 2 vehicles, a 4 door sedan type & an SUV for the wife. When we get more than a few inches on the ground, I drive the SUV. Now granted it’s a smaller SUV (Mazda Tribute) so suffers less from the physics issues you pointed out, but that thing is a dream to drive in the snow. It goes, stops & turns much better than our sedan. ---
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/26 "2004-03-01T13:41:07Z")
> [@county](#): > > There should be special gas pumps for SUV’s. And these pumps would charge $10. per gallon. The reasoning of which would be? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/27 "2004-03-01T13:53:20Z")
The thing that really burns me about this issue is that the car companies are more than happy to promote the idea that 4WD = perfect handling in snow. Jaguar has one with one of their 4WD cars out in unplowed, unsalted roads (they’re in front of the scared plow driver) tooling along like it’s a fresh spring day. SUV ads have the things plowing through giant snow drifts, or just have every owner acting like that blizzard shouldn’t stop them from driving across the state. I’m just waiting for someone to sue them after sliding off into a ditch doing what was on the screen. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/28 "2004-03-01T13:55:58Z")
> [@flickster](#): > > The reasoning of which would be? What, you didn’t know? Aside from the fact that an SUV driver pays more for their vehicle and gets (in some cases) very poor gas mileage, he should be penalized even further for having the unmitigated gall to purchase a vehicle that **county** doesn’t like. Apparently **county** has made the determination that he will be the arbiter of other people’s good judgment and will mete out punishment accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![wireless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f14d63/32.png) [@wireless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wireless)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/29 "2004-03-01T14:55:07Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > The thing that really burns me about this issue is that the car companies are more than happy to promote the idea that 4WD = perfect handling in snow. > > I’m just waiting for someone to sue them after sliding off into a ditch doing what was on the screen. But didn’t you see the fine print, (in size 2 font, grey on white) that said “professional driver, closed course”? So they’re _protected_, you know, because they’ve \*warned us \*not to do this. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/30 "2004-03-01T15:10:23Z")
> [@wireless](#): > > But didn’t you see the fine print, (in size 2 font, grey on white) that said “professional driver, closed course”? Oh, but they DON’T! They’ll say that when some guy is driving up the roof of a house, or down the side of a skyscraper, or driving down a windy road :rolleyes: , but they don’t put that warning in when they’re driving through a blizzard to bring their kids to school. You see, a disclamer would make it sound like the car isn’t ultra-safe in snow, which is the idiotic proposition they’re pushing. I wouldn’t be nearly as irritated by it if they put up a disclamer. ---
**Author:** ![DogMom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e9c0ed/32.png) [@DogMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DogMom)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/31 "2004-03-01T15:25:12Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Fucking physics, fucking physics, fucking physics!, Am I making my point clear yet! It’s fucking physics that makes SUVs different, and your absurd complex of trying to feel discrimnated against doesn’t change the fucking physics. Well, dude, there’s your problem. You’re not supposed to engage in “ **fucking** physics” while DRIVING. Ya do that sort of thing while the vehicle’s PARKED and then you won’t be aiming your car of whatever size it may be off the road. I mean, geez, your mind isn’t actually on the whole “driving thing” at that point, is it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Philster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/13edae/32.png) [@Philster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Philster)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/32 "2004-03-01T15:36:27Z")
Can I inquire? If there are “X” amount of fossil fuels in the world to be burned, how can SUV’s create more total pollution in total, or more waste? When all is said and done, whether it’s 4.3 billion Toyotas burning all those fossil fuels (X), or 1.7 billion SUVs, in the end “X” amount of fossil fuel was burned. You could make the argument that using fewer vehicles to burn the fossil fuels is more efficient. Less rubber, metal/alloys, plastics, vinyl, leathers, refrigerants, lubricants, antifreeze and all that to churn throught the fossil fuels supply. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/33 "2004-03-01T18:47:04Z")
It’s not so much that SUV drivers _want_ bigger pricks, it’s more like SUV drivers _are_ bigger pricks.\* Take a case in point: > [@The Long Road](#): > > The front of drunk asshole’s car was badly damaged while her truck was not. He made contact with her trailor hitch which transfered the energy to the frame. Based on the fact that we had 5 people in the car including two kids and no one was hurt, I say hu-fucking-ray for SUV’s. With the number of stupid people on the road, I’d consider nothing less than a multi-ton vehicle to protect my family. If you run a red light because you’re running late and plow into someone, I hope they are driving an SUV and you suffer dire consequences for being a fucking idiot. Wow. “I hope you suffer dire consequences.” Like death and shit, right? Hey, listen, I’m glad that you and yours weren’t hurt, but must you take so much delight in the suffering of others? Like little tree-hugging weenies that can’t afford a man’s car? Somehow it seems like you feel you deserve to “win” in an accident because you own the bigger vehicle. Had you been in a sedan, and the drunk was in an SUV, would you feel that he deserved to “win”? \*No, not all SUV drivers are pricks. And many sedan drivers are. There are many SUV drivers that are responsible and safe. And many sedan drivers that are a mencae to society. But attitudes like those expressed above really steam me, and when pricks like that end up behind the wheel of a heavy and unmaneuverable vehicle, I cringe. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/34 "2004-03-01T19:01:40Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > Before my main point, I’d like to address the penis - SUV link that people seem to find so entertaining. Most of the people I know who drive SUVs are women. So do all the women feel they need an SUV since they lack a penis? Not _all_ women but with them I think it’s the intimidation. > [@tdn](#): > > No, not all SUV drivers are pricks. And many sedan drivers are. There are many SUV drivers that are responsible and safe. And many sedan drivers that are a mencae to society. Quite true but pricks in SUVs more noticable. ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/35 "2004-03-01T19:19:06Z")
> [@Jeff Olsen](#): > > but pricks in SUVs more noticable. I disagree. I’ve found that the prick closest to me is more noticeable, regardless of what he’s driving. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/36 "2004-03-01T20:08:08Z")
I was being facetious. You know, SUV = big attention getter? ---
**Author:** ![UrbanChic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@UrbanChic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UrbanChic)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/37 "2004-03-01T20:22:04Z")
> [@The Long Road](#): > > It used to be the small penis rich asshole who thought he owned the road drove a luxury sedan or a sports car, now it’s an SUV. Hmmmm. I dunno. I drive an SUV and I have a pretty big penis. A fourteen inch, big, black penis. I keep it in my sock drawer, though. Perhaps I should start keeping it in my glove compartment. I also have a luxury sedan. Should I get another big, black penis to keep in that glove compartment, too? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Long\_Road](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b5a626/32.png) [@The\_Long\_Road](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Long_Road)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/38 "2004-03-02T02:46:55Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > It’s not so much that SUV drivers _want_ bigger pricks, it’s more like SUV drivers _are_ bigger pricks.\* Take a case in point: > > Wow. “I hope you suffer dire consequences.” Like death and shit, right? Hey, listen, I’m glad that you and yours weren’t hurt, but must you take so much delight in the suffering of others? Like little tree-hugging weenies that can’t afford a man’s car? Somehow it seems like you feel you deserve to “win” in an accident because you own the bigger vehicle. Had you been in a sedan, and the drunk was in an SUV, would you feel that he deserved to “win”? > > \*No, not all SUV drivers are pricks. And many sedan drivers are. There are many SUV drivers that are responsible and safe. And many sedan drivers that are a mencae to society. But attitudes like those expressed above really steam me, and when pricks like that end up behind the wheel of a heavy and unmaneuverable vehicle, I cringe. I make no apologies. I’ve seen enough families get wiped out by some asshole who was drinking and driving or running a red light. If you’re a stupid fuck who drinks and drives or violates traffic codes which results in a wreck, I hope the person you hit “wins”. If it comes down to the stupid fuck or some innocent family, I’m all for the stupid fuck dying. I said “If you run a red light because you’re running late and plow into someone, I hope they are driving an SUV and you suffer dire consequences for being a fucking idiot.” Now, if that pisses you off or “steams you” well too fucking bad for you. Go to the ER of a local hospital and watch people being told that their family members have been killed. I’ve seen it more than once while working at a hospital and it goddamn sure isn’t going to happen to mine. ---
**Author:** ![county](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce7236/32.png) [@county](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/county)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/39 "2004-03-02T16:03:33Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > What, you didn’t know? Aside from the fact that an SUV driver pays more for their vehicle and gets (in some cases) very poor gas mileage, he should be penalized even further for having the unmitigated gall to purchase a vehicle that **county** doesn’t like. > > Apparently **county** has made the determination that he will be the arbiter of other people’s good judgment and will mete out punishment accordingly. That’s pretty presumptious of you to speak for me, you ass. The reason, IMO, that SUV drivers should pay more for gas is because of their conspicuous consumption of a limited natural resource. Also, because of their proportionally larger contribution to air pollution problems. Me, I live in a city and I see those huge SUV’s with a single occupant every day. I think taxing those people more for their gasoline is a good idea. And, you ass, that is not “meting out punishment” nor am I the “arbiter” of people judgement. And, inconclusion, if you want to; bite me. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2004, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736/40 "2004-03-02T16:30:03Z")
Um, **county** , oil consumption is a zero sum game. When it’s gone, it’s gone. So perhaps you can explain to me how an SUV contributes more pollution to a total amount that’s basically fixed? Oh, and “bite me”? I thought someone of authority had said something to you about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hoping-to-be-well-meaning-suv-rant/231736.md?page=3)