# Horrific discovery on deceased abortion doctor's property **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243 "2019-09-15T02:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/1 "2019-09-15T02:00:24Z")
Dr. Ulrich Klopfer worked at a clinic that did abortions in South Bend, Indiana until his license was suspended in 2015, and he earlier this month. I have a feeling that this is going to be Dr. Gosnell all over again, and that whatever he did to get his license yanked is too horrible to comprehend. I thought Roe v. Wade was passed in large part to prevent things like this. Read at your own risk. The remains of over 2,000 fetuses were found among his belongings. > **[Over 2,000 preserved fetal remains found on property of deceased Indiana...](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/health/doctor-indiana-fetal-remains/index.html)** > > The family of a doctor who operated a clinic in Indiana sifted through his personal belongings after his death and found 2,246 medically preserved fetal remains, authorities said. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/2 "2019-09-15T02:13:59Z")
Really, “horrific discovery” and “abortion” in the title really gives away the spoilers bit. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/3 "2019-09-15T02:29:04Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > and he earlier this month. …and he DIED earlier this month… ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/4 "2019-09-15T03:08:33Z")
So…were they in jars, or Tupperware, or what? ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/5 "2019-09-15T03:09:04Z")
Yeah, well, whaddaya gonna do. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/6 "2019-09-15T03:15:37Z")
I wonder if, among his effects, they’ll find a pending application for a zoning variance allowing him to operate a medical waste incinerator on the property. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/7 "2019-09-15T03:16:00Z")
Worst version of Pokémon ever. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/8 "2019-09-15T07:22:35Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Worst version of Pokémon ever. I don’t necessarily need a like button, but I’d love to have a “LOL” button, so as not to interrupt the thread with a post. But, until then, I simply want to acknowledge that I found your post hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/9 "2019-09-15T12:42:11Z")
Horrific? Really? OK, sure, medical waste should be handled appropriately. But horrific? _yawn_ ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/10 "2019-09-15T12:49:59Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I thought Roe v. Wade was passed in large part to prevent things like this. I may not have studied RvW as closely as I might, but I don’t recall anything from about the proper disposal of the fetus being even a _small_ part of it. There is no claim that he abused or exploited the women, so who cares if he stored away the remains rather than destroying them? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/11 "2019-09-15T13:30:00Z")
Also, Roe v. Wade wasn’t ‘passed’. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/12 "2019-09-15T13:44:18Z")
Don’t quite get the outrage here, I must say. At least, not about the presence of fetuses. Here’s a [more detailed story](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/us/dr-ulrich-klopfer-fetal-remains.html) than the CNN version posted by the OP. The remains were medically preserved, and while the doctor had lost his license, none of the stories I’ve read indicate any evidence that the abortions were performed _ **after** _ he lost it. If there’s anything to be outraged about here, it seems to be ssome of the wayss that he practiced. Here’s a [story from 2016](https://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/State-yanks-doctor-s-license) on the hearing at which his license was suspended. He certainly seems to have been rather unprofessional in some of his medical practices, although he never lost a patient, and it’s worth noting that the investigation into his practice was started at the behest of two right-to-life organizations. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/13 "2019-09-15T14:03:25Z")
The local reaction seems to be “dead babies in his house.” That’s the screaming outrage part of it, anyway. > **[Family Had No Idea Medically Preserved Fetal Remains Were Inside Will County...](https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/family-had-no-idea-medically-preserved-fetal-remains-were-inside-will-county-home-attorney-says/1968875/)** > > The family of a deceased abortion doctor had no idea more than 2,200 medically preserved fetal remains were inside the doctor’s rural Will County home, the family’s attorney said on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/14 "2019-09-15T14:04:18Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I wonder if, among his effects, they’ll find a pending application for a zoning variance allowing him to operate a medical waste incinerator on the property. Or perhaps a restaurant. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/15 "2019-09-15T15:28:07Z")
Medically preserved human remains are horrific? I take it you’ve never been to a medical museum, a medical school or even a high school biology classroom? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/16 "2019-09-15T15:49:43Z")
But I thought all the dead aborted babies were used to make vaccines!!! Or they were sold for PARTS!!!one!! (Sarcasm, obviously, but I’ve had religious folks tell me both of the above are a vital part of the “abortion industry.” And yes, I know that “baby” is a medically incorrect term for what was found.) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/17 "2019-09-15T22:31:51Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Medically preserved human remains are horrific? I take it you’ve never been to a medical museum, a medical school or even a high school biology classroom? Granted, I don’t know the whole story myself, but no, they are not. One of my interests is medical history, and the Mutter Museum is on my bucket list. > **[Mütter Museum Home](https://muttermuseum.org/)** > > The Mütter Museum helps the public appreciate the mysteries and beauty of the human body while understanding the history of diagnosis and treatment of disease. Many years ago, I worked with a woman (who has since died herself) who had a miscarriage, and the baby was so perfectly formed that the doctors wanted their permission to put him (the pregnancy was far enough along that they could tell) on display at a medical school. Of course they gave permission. It’s the whole context of the thing. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/18 "2019-09-15T22:38:57Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > But I thought all the dead aborted babies were used to make vaccines!!! Or they were sold for PARTS!!!one!! > > (Sarcasm, obviously, but I’ve had religious folks tell me both of the above are a vital part of the “abortion industry.” And yes, I know that “baby” is a medically incorrect term for what was found.) The Wistar-38 cell line, from which the MMR vaccine is made, came from a fetus that was legally aborted in Sweden in the early 1960s. Here’s the TL : DR version. [https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2017/01/31/a-well-researched-tome-reveals-the-people-who-helped-make-early-vaccines-possible/](https://blogs.sciencemag.org/books/2017/01/31/a-well-researched-tome-reveals-the-people-who-helped-make-early-vaccines-possible/) And here’s a link to the book itself. The doctor who performed the abortion, something she rarely did except in extreme circumstances like the one the woman who was identified only as Mrs. X was in, was still living as of the book’s writing, as was Mrs. X. > **[The Vaccine Race: Science, Politics, and the Human Costs of Defeating Disease:...](https://www.amazon.com/Vaccine-Race-Science-Politics-Defeating/dp/0143111310)** > > The Vaccine Race: Science, Politics, and the Human Costs of Defeating Disease \[Wadman, Meredith\] on Amazon.com. \*FREE\* shipping on qualifying offers. The Vaccine Race: Science, Politics, and the Human Costs of Defeating Disease Medical ethics were different back then, and what was done, was done. Mrs. X did say that she was grateful that the tragedy she experienced led to something positive. Some people believe(d) that the abortion was performed to obtain fetal cells, and nothing could have been further from the truth. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2019, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/19 "2019-09-15T23:59:45Z")
Excellent links! The true story behind the use of aborted fetal cells in vaccine manufacturing is miles away from the stories of “baby parts” pushed by certain anti-vaxxers and anti-choicers. (It’s my understanding, however, that the Catholic Church accepts the use of these vaccines, while still acknowledging their origins.) ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/20 "2019-09-16T00:27:10Z")
So when they load them on a truck to take them away, can they use a pitchfork? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243.md?page=2)