# Horrific discovery on deceased abortion doctor's property **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243 "2019-09-15T02:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/21 "2019-09-16T00:33:21Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > Medically preserved human remains are horrific? I take it you’ve never been to a medical museum, a medical school or even a high school biology classroom? > > Granted, I don’t know the whole story myself, but no, they are not. One of my interests is medical history, and the Mutter Museum is on my bucket list. > > [http://muttermuseum.org/](http://muttermuseum.org/) > > Many years ago, I worked with a woman (who has since died herself) who had a miscarriage, and the baby was so perfectly formed that the doctors wanted their permission to put him (the pregnancy was far enough along that they could tell) on display at a medical school. Of course they gave permission. > > It’s the whole context of the thing. So why did you use “horrific” in the thread title? Why didn’t you note that the remains were medically preserved? And why suggest what the doctor did to get his license suspended was “too horrible to comprehend”? You seem to have overblown the whole story. Edited to add that the story from the NBC affiliate station says, “In 2016, Indiana’s attorney general alleged Klopfer violated state law nine times by failing to provide qualified personnel to monitor patients undergoing surgical abortion procedures.” Bad, yes, and a violation of the law and medical practices but not exactly “too horrible to comprehend.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/22 "2019-09-16T01:49:24Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So when they load them on a truck to take them away, can they use a pitchfork? Of course not, they’re given the proper dignity of a snow shovel. ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/23 "2019-09-16T01:54:41Z")
So, dude was a hoarder. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/24 "2019-09-16T10:56:02Z")
It’s nwh. She’s obsessed with all things mommy and relationship pages, despite being single and child free/less, depending upon your take. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 11:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/25 "2019-09-16T11:43:10Z")
One of my friends growing up, his mom had the foetus of his stillborn sibling in a jar on the matlepiece. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/26 "2019-09-16T12:27:24Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > One of my friends growing up, his mom had the foetus of his stillborn sibling in a jar on the matlepiece. If you shook it did snow swirl around? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/27 "2019-09-16T12:38:28Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > One of my friends growing up, his mom had the foetus of his stillborn sibling in a jar on the matlepiece. Did they set a place for little Timmy every evening for dinner? ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/28 "2019-09-17T00:17:21Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > One of my interests is medical history, and the Mutter Museum is on my bucket list. > > [http://muttermuseum.org/](http://muttermuseum.org/) If you want to see the preserved liver of Cheng and Ang (the original Siamese Twins), the Mutter Museum is your only bet. I’ve been a few times and I love the place. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/29 "2019-09-17T04:04:03Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > The remains were medically preserved, and while the doctor had lost his license, none of the stories I’ve read indicate any evidence that the abortions were performed _ **after** _ he lost it. [This recent article from the _Post-Tribune_ suggests that, although no connection to the remains has been made, something hinky was going on](https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/post-tribune/ct-ptb-ulrich-klopfer-indiana-clinics-st-0917-20190916-oxprbsm44zfgpomjffiik6rnje-story.html): > [@](#): > > A filmmaker who interviewed the doctor said Monday that Klopfer used to visit at least one of his former clinics for years after its services were shut down by Indiana regulators. > > According to Mark Archer, a producer and filmmaker from Fort Wayne, Klopfer would visit his former Fort Wayne clinic every week about five years after the clinic shut down, arriving on Wednesday, spending the night at the clinic and leaving Thursday morning. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/30 "2019-09-17T04:05:41Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > One of my friends growing up, his mom had the foetus of his stillborn sibling in a jar on the matlepiece. My mom kept fetuses of stillborn kittens. ISTR one with two heads. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/31 "2019-09-18T00:42:02Z")
> [@](#): > > According to Mark Archer, a producer and filmmaker from Fort Wayne, Klopfer would visit his former Fort Wayne clinic every week about five years after the clinic shut down, arriving on Wednesday, spending the night at the clinic and leaving Thursday morning. Well, he just needed some time away from the kids. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/32 "2019-09-18T13:09:24Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > But I thought all the dead aborted babies were used to make vaccines!!! Or they were sold for PARTS!!!one!! > > (Sarcasm, obviously, but I’ve had religious folks tell me both of the above are a vital part of the “abortion industry.” And yes, I know that “baby” is a medically incorrect term for what was found.) Well, there’s this bit of news from several years back: [Horrifyingly, Ground Baby Pills Are a Real Thing](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/horrifyingly-ground-baby-pills-are-real-thing/328490/) :eek: Snopes hasn’t touched this, but it was widely reported on at the time by mainstream news outlets including ABC, BBC, and CBC. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/33 "2019-09-18T13:27:04Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Well, there’s this bit of news from several years back: > > [Horrifyingly, Ground Baby Pills Are a Real Thing](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/05/horrifyingly-ground-baby-pills-are-real-thing/328490/) :eek: > > Snopes hasn’t touched this, but it was widely reported on at the time by mainstream news outlets including ABC, BBC, and CBC. Meh… This is coming from the country where even the government thinks small personal fans left running in a room overnight can cause suffocation and/or hypothermia. I’d take dramatic medical news out of there with a (possible ground-baby-fortified) grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2019, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/34 "2019-09-18T14:06:56Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Medically preserved human remains are horrific? I take it you’ve never been to a medical museum, a medical school or even a high school biology classroom? Maybe I’m old fashioned but I tend to think that human remains properly used and maintained in an educational setting is different than than having them stacked in your living room. Horrific might be a little hyperbolic but it is bizarre. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/35 "2019-09-19T14:51:35Z")
Will County investigators will have a press conference at the Sheriff’s Office at 1:30 (CDT?) today. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/36 "2019-09-19T14:53:55Z")
This morning there was a report on the radio that mentioned the remains were in the garage. Maybe the “hoarder” speculation above wasn’t off the mark. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/37 "2019-09-19T21:13:23Z")
[Something interesting from the press conference](https://www.nwherald.com/lists/2019/09/19/58e1592c2028432aaf58431b8992d8a8/index.xml?page=1): > [@](#): > > The remains were found in 70 cardboard boxes, and they were in small, sealed plastic bags containing a biological formula to preserve them. The remains will be transferred to the Indiana Attorney General’s Office for further investigation. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/38 "2019-09-19T21:51:52Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Or perhaps a restaurant. This Baby food. Made from real babies 😃 ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/39 "2019-09-19T22:41:55Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Something interesting from the press conference](https://www.nwherald.com/lists/2019/09/19/58e1592c2028432aaf58431b8992d8a8/index.xml?page=1): The remains will be transferred to the Indiana Attorney General’s Office for further investigation. Oh shit. Before I heard the garage thing this morning I was picturing a hidden room that you had to move a bookcase to get to, dimly lit and filled with shelves of medium sized glass jars which were themselves strangely lit with a greenish light. ---
**Author:** ![Kimera757](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimera757/32/3765_2.png) [@Kimera757](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimera757)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/40 "2019-09-19T22:57:44Z")
How are aborted fetuses supposed to be disposed of? Does anyone have a source? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243.md?page=3)