# Horrific discovery on deceased abortion doctor's property **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243 "2019-09-15T02:00:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2019, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/41 "2019-09-19T23:42:03Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Dr. Ulrich Klopfer worked at a clinic that did abortions in South Bend, Indiana until his license was suspended in 2015, and he earlier this month. I have a feeling that this is going to be Dr. Gosnell all over again, **and that whatever he did to get his license yanked is too horrible to comprehend.** > > I thought Roe v. Wade was passed in large part to prevent things like this. > > Read at your own risk. > > The remains of over 2,000 fetuses were found among his belongings. > > [https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/health/doctor-indiana-fetal-remains/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/14/health/doctor-indiana-fetal-remains/index.html) Bold mine. the thing he did to get his medical licence ‘yanked’ was to give a abortion to a minor (IIRC age 13) without informing her parents, which has not a lot to do with Roe vs Wade… ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/42 "2019-09-20T04:27:00Z")
Some of the posts here have me thinking of [_Eating Raoul_](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083869/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1). Oh, **Atamasama** , the latest news out of South Korea is [about DNA evidence leading to the identification of a serial killer](http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=3068090&cloc=joongangdaily%7Chome%7Ctop). Now, I might be biased in this, but the cops in the ROK are not the Keystone Kops so many people think they are. (My brother-in-law is a Korean police detective on a serious crimes squad). ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/43 "2019-09-20T06:38:46Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > This > > Baby food. Made from real babies 😃 This is why I never buy Girl Scout Cookies. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/44 "2019-09-20T10:20:12Z")
> [@Kimera757](#): > > How are aborted fetuses supposed to be disposed of? Does anyone have a source? I expect the really early abortions are disposed of like any other medical waste (or supposed to be treated as such). There was an attempt to pass a law in Indiana that any abortion be treated like an adult death, requiring burial/cremation would would greatly inflate costs, but the law did not pass. Later-term abortions I don’t know - those are typically performed due to medical problems for the mother, or due to severe deformity in the fetus/baby and a different situation, it’s possible that the family might want to treat it as the death/burial of a baby. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/45 "2019-09-20T14:41:42Z")
[One neighbor has described the doctor as having a bit of paranoia (thinking “that people were talking about him”) and a garage so full of boxes that “[y]ou couldn’t fit an ant in [there].”](https://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2019/09/17/neighbors-thought-doc-at-fetus-house-a-hoarder/aju3cju/) [“‘Hundreds and hundreds’ of other boxes, packed floor-to-ceiling,”](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/9/19/20874342/indiana-police-search-abortion-clinics-doctor-klopfer-fetal-remains-will-county) which investigators had to sort through to ensure they found all the remains. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/46 "2019-10-10T16:10:38Z")
[Additional fetal remains discovered in trunk of car belonging to late Indiana abortion doctor](https://wgntv.com/2019/10/09/additional-fetal-remains-discovered-on-late-indiana-abortion-doctors-property/) - are any more out there? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2019, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/47 "2019-10-10T17:20:50Z")
The old craze used to be Beanie Babies. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2019, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/48 "2019-10-11T02:04:51Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [One neighbor has described the doctor as having a bit of paranoia (thinking “that people were talking about him”) and a garage so full of boxes that “[y]ou couldn’t fit an ant in [there].”](https://www.mysuburbanlife.com/2019/09/17/neighbors-thought-doc-at-fetus-house-a-hoarder/aju3cju/) [“‘Hundreds and hundreds’ of other boxes, packed floor-to-ceiling,”](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/9/19/20874342/indiana-police-search-abortion-clinics-doctor-klopfer-fetal-remains-will-county) which investigators had to sort through to ensure they found all the remains. That very much does sound like a certain type of hoarder then. Perhaps he never throws anything out, including the fetuses he aborted. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/49 "2019-12-31T20:11:05Z")
[Update](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/12/31/21044666/fetal-remains-ulrich-klopfer-abortion-doctor-indiana-clinics): > [@](#): > > Relatives of Klopfer found 2,246 sets of fetal remains in Klopfer’s garage in Will County following his death. Authorities later found another 165 sets of fetal remains inside a car at a Chicago-area business where Klopfer had kept several cars. > > Each fetus was chemically preserved and individually sealed in a clear-plastic pouch. > > According to the report from Attorney General Curtis Hill’s office, “based on the poor condition of the fetal remains and unreliable nature of the accompanying records, it is not possible to make an independent verification of the identities of the individual fetal remains.” > > The remains were initially determined to be from abortions Klopfer had performed from 2000 to 2002 at his clinics in Fort Wayne, Gary and South Bend. But the report states investigators now believe the remains came from abortions he performed at those clinics between 2000 and 2003. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2019, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/50 "2019-12-31T22:42:11Z")
Why is it necessary to identify the fetuses? I doubt there were any amber alerts out for them. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/51 "2020-01-01T02:59:42Z")
Doesn’t Indiana have one of those fetal burial laws? In that case, I would guess the authorities are either searching for information to put on tiny grave markers, or they’re looking for women to shame/punish in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/52 "2020-01-01T19:59:15Z")
Quick and dirty math tells me this guy was doing 2-3 procedures a day. Busy guy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/53 "2020-01-01T21:10:18Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Quick and dirty math tells me this guy was doing 2-3 procedures a day. Busy guy. Wilt Chamberlain claimed a similar level of activity. Admittedly, it was trying to put babies _in_ women… ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/54 "2020-01-03T17:34:28Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Why is it necessary to identify the fetuses? I doubt there were any amber alerts out for them. Because right now everyone is just assuming that they’re fetal remains from consensual abortions. It’s possible that there are fetal remains from something else in there. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/55 "2020-02-11T21:11:55Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > Doesn’t Indiana have one of those fetal burial laws? In that case, I would guess the authorities are either searching for information to put on tiny grave markers, or they’re looking for women to shame/punish in some way. Looks like they wanted information for a memorial service/burial, [which will be in Indiana tomorrow](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/2/11/21133017/fetal-remains-will-county-abortion-doctor-south-bend-burial-klopfer). ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/56 "2020-02-11T23:57:56Z")
:smack: I completely understand wanting to dispose of the remains in a respectful manner, but a “service” sounds like they’re just out to make a spectacle of things. My next prediction: the burial marker will contain a reference to the slaughter of innocent lives. \>.\< ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/57 "2020-02-12T04:47:25Z")
Is Chicagoland a magnet for off-the-wall practitioners, or what? (Yeah, I know it’s a big city.) I have a feeling that THIS story is going to be much bigger than it looks on the surface. > **[Sheriff Tom Dart worries dead Evergreen Park pediatrician left children...](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/11/21133374/doctor-dr-van-koinis-evergreen-park-pediatrician-vaccinate-children-cook-county-sheriff-tom-dart)** > > Dr. Van Koinis’ former patients are encouraged to meet with their current physicians to determine if they should test for prior vaccinations, the sheriff’s office said. TL : DR - a pediatrician who committed suicide last year may have fraudulently filled out records stating that children were vaccinated, when in fact they weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/58 "2020-02-12T15:09:50Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > …and he DIED earlier this month… I just assumed you meant that his license was suspended in 2015, he himself was suspended earlier this month, i.e. he passed. ---
**Author:** ![Ellecram](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellecram/32/18948_2.png) [@Ellecram](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellecram)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/59 "2020-02-14T12:26:46Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > If you want to see the preserved liver of Cheng and Ang (the original Siamese Twins), the Mutter Museum is your only bet. I’ve been a few times and I love the place. I visited this museum awhile ago and found it fascinating. It is a niche bucket list item, definitely not for everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243/60 "2020-02-14T19:38:59Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Is Chicagoland a magnet for off-the-wall practitioners, or what? (Yeah, I know it’s a big city.) I have a feeling that THIS story is going to be much bigger than it looks on the surface. > > [https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/11/21133374/doctor-dr-van-koinis-evergreen-park-pediatrician-vaccinate-children-cook-county-sheriff-tom-dart](https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2020/2/11/21133374/doctor-dr-van-koinis-evergreen-park-pediatrician-vaccinate-children-cook-county-sheriff-tom-dart) > > TL : DR - a pediatrician who committed suicide last year may have fraudulently filled out records stating that children were vaccinated, when in fact they weren’t. Fans of the [Holistic Doctor Murder Conspiracy](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=761219) will be glad to know that patients/fans of Dr. Koinis are already suggesting that he was actually murdered at the behest of Big Pharma. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/horrific-discovery-on-deceased-abortion-doctors-property/840243.md?page=4)