# Hot characters who don't know they're hot **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 6, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253 "2008-05-06T03:44:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/21 "2008-05-07T00:02:22Z")
[QUOTE=Darryl Lict] In a similar vein, Rachael Leigh Cook is cast as the ugly duckling in [She’s All That](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0160862/). They uglified her by putting her in baggy clothing and glasses. It’s still kind of hard to hide perfect bone structure and complexion. I wasn’t particularly surprised when she cleaned up pretty well. [/QUOTE] Stephen King summed it up perfectly in a review of “Lawnmower Man”: “In Hollywood movies, geeks aren’t ever really unsightly. They just have bad haircuts.” ---
**Author:** ![Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/cab0a1/32.png) [@Man\_With\_a\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Man_With_a_Cat)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/22 "2008-05-07T00:14:17Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Aponte Jr.] **Rhoda.** (Mary Tyler Moore & self-titled spinoff). [/QUOTE] Eww. Eh, different strokes I guess. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/23 "2008-05-07T00:48:33Z")
Mr. Darcy from “Pride & Prejudice” - he’s arrogant and elitest, but his internal struggle and character growth make him…hot. Jamie Frasier from the “Outlander” series… he’s a man’s man - he can hunt and fish and fight, but he’s also a Renaissance man - well educated and articulate. And he’s a tiger in bed. Mmmmm. Stephanie Plum from the “One for the Money” series - she’s a dingbat, she sucks at her job, but she’s down to earth and hard as nails but mushy, too. Oh, and while we’re on Buffy, allow me to nominate…Giles. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/24 "2008-05-07T00:58:18Z")
[QUOTE=Big Bad Voodoo Lou] One more character from the Buffyverse – Fred (a girl; real name Winifred, played by the gorgeous Amy Acker) was a big ol’ nerd with some PTSD issues due to living in a cave in an alternate dimension for five years, before being rescued by Angel and company. Despite being nerdy and awkward (not unlike Willow), she was a stunner, especially in her librarian-style glasses. And for the longest time, at least before she started dating Gunn (and later Wesley), she had no idea. [/QUOTE] I remember this hot French-maid sort of outfit she put on-oooh mama. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/25 "2008-05-07T01:00:32Z")
[QUOTE=gaffa] Stephen King summed it up perfectly in a review of “Lawnmower Man”: “In Hollywood movies, geeks aren’t ever really unsightly. They just have bad haircuts.” [/QUOTE] I recall a teen movie from the 80’s where there was a geek girl with gorgeous, straight, waist-length black hair. When they give her the inevitable makeover they hack off at least 2/3rds of it, style it into a 'do, ditch the glasses, and pronounce her “hot”. Guess I was the only one who preferred the “before” picture… ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/26 "2008-05-07T01:03:17Z")
As long as we’re throwing around “Buffy” references, Jenny Kalendar (Robia LaMorte)… > **[Robia Lamorte](https://www.robialamorte.com/)** > > Its All About Fashion & Lifestyle ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/27 "2008-05-07T01:06:57Z")
I think a classic character that fits this bill is Melody from Josie and the Pussycats. Heck, many a gag was built around this fact! (Although, to be fair, not only did she not know she was [considered] hot, but she didn’t know a heckuva lot more…) ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/28 "2008-05-07T01:09:09Z")
Natalie Wood in “Gypsy” when she looks in the mirror and says “I’m a pretty girl, Mama.” Well…DUH. You’re Natalie Wood. ---
**Author:** ![Intravenus\_De\_Milo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Intravenus\_De\_Milo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intravenus_De_Milo)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/29 "2008-05-07T01:53:46Z")
> [@Skald the Rhymer](#): > > Two, when we’re talking about characters who are hot in the context of the show, not necessarily in the opinion of the poster. The example that I immediately thought of was Gadget from _Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers_ - Chip and Dale were always fawning over her, but she was _completely_ oblivious. She also often shunned attempts to appear even more attractive - and, as I once saw noted by one fan of the show, Chip and Dale collectively appeared in typically female attire more than she did. As an aside, I always wanted to be Gadget when I was little - not because everyone had a crush on her, but because she could start off with any pile of junk and create amazing inventions in no time. Nerds rule 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/30 "2008-05-07T01:59:31Z")
[QUOTE=JpnDude] Liz Lemon from _ **30Rock** _ [/QUOTE] I just finished watching the first season of \*\*30 Rock \*\* on Netflix and I agree with you 100% She is so much sexier than Jenna. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/31 "2008-05-07T02:20:08Z")
[QUOTE=Annie-Xmas] Abby on NCIS [/QUOTE] Oh, she knows! ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/32 "2008-05-07T02:48:22Z")
[QUOTE=panache45] Seven-of-Nine. [/QUOTE] I believe that characters name was 6 of 9, seriously ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/33 "2008-05-07T06:10:59Z")
[QUOTE=Intravenus De Milo] The example that I immediately thought of was Gadget from _Chip 'n Dale Rescue Rangers_ - Chip and Dale were always fawning over her, but she was _completely_ oblivious. She also often shunned attempts to appear even more attractive - and, as I once saw noted by one fan of the show, Chip and Dale collectively appeared in typically female attire more than she did. As an aside, I always wanted to be Gadget when I was little - not because everyone had a crush on her, but because she could start off with any pile of junk and create amazing inventions in no time. Nerds rule 🆒 [/QUOTE] Heh…would you believe she’s the character I was coming in here to suggest? 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/34 "2008-05-07T10:52:00Z")
Merry Gentry of the Merry Gentry series tends to have trouble believing she’s good looking, due to constantly being told as a child and young woman that she wasn’t. Honor Harrington of the Honor Harrington series considered herself unattractive for the first few books. Partly because she felt overshadowed as a girl in the beauty area by her very pretty mother; partly because 3rd generation prolong ( a life extension treatment ) has the unfortunate side effect of extending that awkward adolescent look for a decade or more, which shaped her self image; and partly due to several unpleasant early experiences with men. Karrakaz of Tanith Lee’s _The Birthgrave_ spends most of the book thinking she’s hideously ugly, when in fact she’s superhumanly beautiful. The few times someone sees her without a mask, she interprets their stunned reaction as horror. She’s also amnesiac and suffers from hallucinations and has supernatural powers which she doesn’t know the extent of and which have been hijacked by her subconscious traumas; sort of like _Forbidden Planet_’s Monster From The Id but more subtle ( and persecuting her as much as anyone else ). Which explains why she takes so long to figure out the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/35 "2008-05-07T13:40:06Z")
I think Uma Thurman looks like a face painted on a duck egg. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/36 "2008-05-07T14:24:20Z")
In _The Last Unicorn,_ the unicorn at one point is magically transformed into a beautiful woman – but **she** thinks she’s ugly, until Shmendrick and Molly Grue point out to her, “You could not be more beautiful than you are and still be human.” ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/37 "2008-05-08T03:16:19Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] In _The Last Unicorn,_ the unicorn at one point is magically transformed into a beautiful woman – but **she** thinks she’s ugly, until Shmendrick and Molly Grue point out to her, “You could not be more beautiful than you are and still be human.” [/QUOTE] Ouch, I’d forgotten that. Go to hell Shmendrick and Molly! Some of us like our women human! (And what kind of name is Grue anyway?) ---
**Author:** ![Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea666f/32.png) [@Two\_and\_a\_Half\_Inches\_of\_Fun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_and_a_Half_Inches_of_Fun)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/38 "2008-05-08T03:25:36Z")
[QUOTE=ianzin] I’m not positive that this fits the requirements of the OP (apologies if not), but I’ll mention it anyway if only because I find it both laughable and annoying. The movie ‘The Truth About Cats and Dogs’ is entirely predicated on the notion that Uma Thurman is an irresistible goddess that every man would crawl over hot coals for, while Janeane Garofalo is a plain, dumpy also-ran who wouldn’t even merit a second look. I have trouble with this premise, because for me JG is the hot one and UT is just a sullen, elongated freak. I know I’m not the only man who holds this opinion. Anyway, in the movie, the Garofalo character seems to go along with this premise, and could therefore qualify as a hot character who doesn’t know she’s hot. [/QUOTE] Let’s look at the evidence: [http://msunderestimated.com/GarofoloGrease.jpg](http://msunderestimated.com/GarofoloGrease.jpg) [http://www.dosomething.org/files/Images/uma\_lookingback.jpg](http://www.dosomething.org/files/Images/uma_lookingback.jpg) These were just the first two pictures I found. I am sure we could find even more evidence that Garofolo is a beast and Thurman is a goddess. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/39 "2008-05-08T04:23:14Z")
[QUOTE=Two and a Half Inches of Fun] Let’s look at the evidence: [http://msunderestimated.com/GarofoloGrease.jpg](http://msunderestimated.com/GarofoloGrease.jpg) [http://www.dosomething.org/files/Images/uma\_lookingback.jpg](http://www.dosomething.org/files/Images/uma_lookingback.jpg) These were just the first two pictures I found. I am sure we could find even more evidence that Garofolo is a beast and Thurman is a goddess. [/QUOTE] [http://www.betterthanfudge.com/img/janeane.jpg](http://www.betterthanfudge.com/img/janeane.jpg) [http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/cheshire/60/jg39.gif](http://www.fortunecity.com/boozers/cheshire/60/jg39.gif) > **[Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos](https://www.yahoo.com/)** > > Latest news coverage, email, free stock quotes, live scores and video are just the beginning. Discover more every day at Yahoo! My rebuttal, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253/40 "2008-05-08T04:34:03Z")
[QUOTE=John DiFool] I recall a teen movie from the 80’s where there was a geek girl with gorgeous, straight, waist-length black hair. When they give her the inevitable makeover they hack off at least 2/3rds of it, style it into a 'do, ditch the glasses, and pronounce her “hot”. Guess I was the only one who preferred the “before” picture… [/QUOTE] A scene in _The Breakfast Club_ had Molly Ringwald doing a similar thing to Ally Sheedy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-characters-who-dont-know-theyre-hot/448253.md?page=3)