# Hot girls have problems too (aka the new Rebecca Black) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 18, 2012, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184 "2012-04-18T17:49:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ministryman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@ministryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ministryman)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/21 "2012-04-19T13:41:48Z")
Those girls need to look in a mirror…Hot? NOT! ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/22 "2012-04-19T14:18:49Z")
I agree it’s a dumb song (though I’m completely convinced it was done for yuks), but seriously can we stop the automatic “ewwwwww what a dog” thing every time a women expresses that she’s confident about her appearance? Objectively these two young ladies are youthful and fresh faced and attractive in a way that actually seems quite charming and appropriate. I agree it’s not really becoming to go on and on about how you look, but responding by cutting them down a notch (especially by people who are probably not perfect tens themselves) is also unattractive. if you think cute slim college girls are sixes, then your average woman must appear to be a hideous monster. I don’t think many people really think like that, and what we are seeing is an old and ugly cultural trope that confident women need to be put in their place, and that women should always feel inadequate about something. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/23 "2012-04-19T16:03:31Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I don’t think many people really think like that, and what we are seeing is an old and ugly cultural trope that confident women need to be put in their place, and that women should always feel inadequate about something. This was a good post… for a woman. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Paranoid\_Randroid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/paranoid_randroid/32/18_2.png) [@Paranoid\_Randroid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paranoid_Randroid)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/24 "2012-04-19T17:08:12Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > if you think cute slim college girls are sixes, then your average woman must appear to be a hideous monster. I suppose it depends on the scale (which isn’t to take a stand one way or the other that making such a scale is appropriate). Normalizing mean attractiveness to five out of ten seems reasonable, leaving plenty of room on the tails for very attractive and utterly beautiful (as well as the unattractive and, I suppose, deformed or something). Then six as slightly-above-average doesn’t seem terribly unreasonable. Buuuut … I tend to agree with you; it strikes me at least as odd that some individuals insist that these girls are unattractive. No supermodels, but they’re young, healthy, groomed appropriately, have reasonably symmetric features. That takes someone most of the way. ---
**Author:** ![Jragon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Jragon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jragon)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/25 "2012-04-19T19:48:14Z")
Yeah, I’m not sure where people are getting unattractive except for reactionism. Certainly they’re not the pinnacle of hotness, but they’re probably better looking than most of the girls at my university. That said, there’s still a number of people above, and not in the “there’s always someone better” way, in the “in any place you go with a large number of similarly aged females there’s probably be a few better” way. So above average, certainly. Granted, hotness is subjective, I find Kim Kardashian unattractive in 98% of her pictures, which is an unreasonable assessment to most people, so it just could be tastes differing. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/26 "2012-04-19T19:51:06Z")
When I hit the link I was afraid I was Rick-rolled. Oh ghod-if only. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2012, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/27 "2012-04-19T20:02:46Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I don’t think many people really think like that, and what we are seeing is an old and ugly cultural trope that confident women need to be put in their place, and that women should always feel inadequate about something. Who do you think those girls are? Hillary Clinton and Condaliza Rice?😕 ---
**Author:** ![heathen\_earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/13edae/32.png) [@heathen\_earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heathen_earthling)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/28 "2012-04-20T00:13:19Z")
Does anyone have any idea how old the girls in this video are? The fact that they’re being compared to Rebecca Black makes me think that they’re too young to be “hot girls”. Or maybe I’m just getting old. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/29 "2012-04-20T01:56:24Z")
O.K., I just asked my friend’s 16 and 14 year old daughters to watch the video and they immediately agreed that it is definitely meant as a joke. They’re younger than you. They’re hipper and more with it than you. They’ve known YouTube and viral videos their entire lives. You people are old and you are not hip. This is supposed to be a comedic video. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/30 "2012-04-20T02:28:37Z")
O.K., this song is actually being reported on on CNN’s homepage now. From the girls themselves: “I wouldn’t say that we’re that hot, but it’s fun to sing about it.” and “We really didn’t consider ourselves musically talented.” They’re a bit coy about answering the question about whether or not it was meant as a joke. They’re definitely enjoying all the attention and smirking at the outrage. [CNN Link (they’ll make you watch an ad)](http://www.cnn.com/video/?hpt=hp_c3#/video/showbiz/2012/04/19/tsr-moos-hot-girls-viral-worst-song.cnn) ---
**Author:** ![Kozmik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/8dc957/32.png) [@Kozmik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kozmik)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/31 "2012-04-20T03:02:00Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > O.K., this song is actually being reported on on CNN’s homepage now. Wake me when it makes _The New York Times_ (in Print Edition or in Replica Edition – not NYT’s homepage). ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/32 "2012-04-20T03:22:24Z")
Eh, the drunk-and-underaged look just doesn’t do it for me. Mind you, I don’t know the age nor blood alcohol level of either of these lasses, but they certainly _look_ both underaged and drunk. Give them a few years and let them sober up, and maybe then they’ll be hot, but they aren’t now. ---
**Author:** ![wheresmymind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/91b2a8/32.png) [@wheresmymind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wheresmymind)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/33 "2012-04-20T03:39:42Z")
This is definitely satire. It’s no Modest Proposal but it’s better than at least 80% of the amateur-produced satire on Youtube. ---
**Author:** ![Hail\_Ants](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/dc4da7/32.png) [@Hail\_Ants](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hail_Ants)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/34 "2012-04-20T07:46:11Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I agree it’s a dumb song (though I’m completely convinced it was done for yuks), but seriously can we stop the automatic “ewwwwww what a dog” thing every time a women expresses that she’s confident about her appearance? Objectively these two young ladies are youthful and fresh faced and attractive in a way that actually seems quite charming and appropriate. I agree it’s not really becoming to go on and on about how you look, but responding by cutting them down a notch (especially by people who are probably not perfect tens themselves) is also unattractive. if you think cute slim college girls are sixes, then your average woman must appear to be a hideous monster. > > I don’t think many people really think like that, and what we are seeing is an old and ugly cultural trope that confident women need to be put in their place, and that women should always feel inadequate about something. For me this is why _ **The Soup** _’s response was so perfect. Look, if you put something like this out there, even as a total joke, you’re gonna get judged by your appearance (among other things). And calling them 6’s was perfect because on the one hand it’s obviously an insult meant to mean _‘in the showbiz world they’re not that hot’_, but on the other hand it means, _‘hey, in the real world a 6 is no slouch!’_ It’s the most appropriate response. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2012, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/35 "2012-04-20T08:16:59Z")
> [@wheresmymind](#): > > This is definitely satire. It’s no Modest Proposal but it’s better than at least 80% of the amateur-produced satire on Youtube. Indeed. It is obvious within seconds that is being done for the lulz, the hits and the internet infamy. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/36 "2012-04-21T02:10:48Z")
All good and well, but that one line " hot girls have problems too, we’re just like you…except we’re hot" has a weird brilliance. You can almost hear Paris Hilton say it without any hint of self-awareness. Making this excellent parody, meant or not. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2012, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/37 "2012-04-21T22:34:00Z")
The internet has broken society. I don’t think we are supposed to take anything seriously anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/38 "2012-04-22T01:37:34Z")
[Calculon]That was so terrible, I think you gave me cancer![/Calculon] ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/39 "2012-04-22T01:43:21Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I agree it’s a dumb song (though I’m completely convinced it was done for yuks), but seriously can we stop the automatic “ewwwwww what a dog” thing every time a women expresses that she’s confident about her appearance? Objectively these two young ladies are youthful and fresh faced and attractive in a way that actually seems quite charming and appropriate. I agree it’s not really becoming to go on and on about how you look, but responding by cutting them down a notch (especially by people who are probably not perfect tens themselves) is also unattractive. if you think cute slim college girls are sixes, then your average woman must appear to be a hideous monster. > > I don’t think many people really think like that, and what we are seeing is an old and ugly cultural trope that confident women need to be put in their place, and that women should always feel inadequate about something. When the song is about how hard it is being hot, commenting on the singers’ attractiveness is perfectly kosher. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2012, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184/40 "2012-04-22T01:51:26Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > O.K., I just asked my friend’s 16 and 14 year old daughters to watch the video and they immediately agreed that it is definitely meant as a joke. > > They’re younger than you. > They’re hipper and more with it than you. > They’ve known YouTube and viral videos their entire lives. > > You people are old and you are not hip. > > This is supposed to be a comedic video. First off, kids thought the same thing about Rebecca Black at first. Second, we all know it’s fake. That’s why we’re saying they want to become the next Rebecca Black, rather than saying how stupid they are to think they’re actually talented. If they were actually serious, then they wouldn’t be trying to be anything but good singers. What boggles my mind is that they are getting the same type of fame as the original. It’s fake, we all know it’s fake, so shut up about it. And, yeah, if someone claims to be attractive, they’ve put it on the table and it’s perfectly find to argue against them. Don’t make your looks an issue if you don’t want people to comment on it. It’s no different from saying being confident about anything else: people are going to knock you down. That’s why we have the term “cocky” and view it as a negative. It’s not a women’s rights thing, except to someone looking to make everything about women’s rights. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hot-girls-have-problems-too-aka-the-new-rebecca-black/619184.md?page=3)