# Hotel California Redux - Another 1979-like Right Wing Shift? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674 "2023-10-16T21:42:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/81 "2023-10-19T20:29:14Z")
You actually beat me to it, I was going to point out the same thing before you did. 😁 ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/82 "2023-10-19T20:38:29Z")
😁 “The devil made me do it!” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/83 "2023-10-19T21:28:22Z")
Aha. Apologies to you @saucywench. I was just so sad about being ignored. 😭 Also Japanese ogre, since nobody will never use it and it must similarly be feeling overlooked. 👹 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/84 "2023-10-19T21:32:05Z")
Oh right, thanks. Anyway, title corrected now ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/85 "2023-10-19T22:27:42Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Smashing Pumpkins, “1979”. The REM song of the same name (the SP cut is NOT a cover) would be much more apropos. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/86 "2023-10-19T22:47:03Z")
I can’t find a REM song named “1979”. Are you thinking of “Ignoreland”? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/87 "2023-10-19T22:52:09Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The latest elections in Europe have all brought right wing governments to power. Please try harder to keep up. > **[With Opposition Gains, Poland Looks to Unwind an ‘Illiberal Democracy’](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/world/europe/poland-vote.html)** > > With all of the votes counted, liberal parties have probably won by enough to assemble a new coalition. The governing party can still form its own, but the prospects look dim. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/88 "2023-10-19T23:14:16Z")
Seriously? 👹 ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/89 "2023-10-20T00:02:07Z")
That had not happened when I posted that other stuff. And it wasn’t exactly a left wing government elected. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/90 "2023-10-20T02:15:29Z")
Awww! No apologies needed. Japanese ogre. 😃 I like gargoyles too,…and vampires, ever since I was a little kid. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/91 "2023-10-20T02:18:02Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That had not happened when I posted that other stuff. And it wasn’t exactly a left wing government elected. You mean the “other stuff” from Canada you posted about that you are intimately familiar with since you are Canadian? ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/92 "2023-10-20T02:26:30Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > I can’t find a REM song named “1979”. Are you thinking of “Ignoreland”? Yesh. ---
**Author:** ![saucywench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85e7bf/32.png) [@saucywench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saucywench)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/93 "2023-10-20T02:35:58Z")
You’re welcome! Yes, I saw the title had been corrected earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/94 "2023-10-20T02:41:48Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > . I talked about the Polish election, but that was in post #41. You did, but I wanted to provide the results. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And it wasn’t exactly a left wing government elected. I’m a big believer in making accurate claims about my cites, which is why I read my cite and posted: > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > It’s not exactly a left-wing government, except relative to what’s there currently. I’m not sure what you’re adding when you write it’s not exactly a left wing government elected, given that that’s almost verbatim what I wrote, except that you left off the part about relative to what’s there currently. Your claim, remember , was that “the _world_ is shifting to the right.” Elections showing a country shifting to the left are direct counters to that claim; it doesn’t need to be a “left wing government” to counter your claimed shift. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/95 "2023-10-20T03:05:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You did, but I wanted to provide the results. I was responding to Steve\_MB. My post was just after his, and his was three hours after yours. This thread is cursed, and not just from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/96 "2023-10-20T03:33:37Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That had not happened when I posted that other stuff. That’s irrelevant to the point that it counters your thesis. Are you even trying? ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/97 "2023-10-20T03:46:52Z")
Once again, a thread has been hijacked. It’s become about one poster. Is NO ONE here able to ignore this character? Just let him be wrong all by himself! I’d be frustrated if it hadn’t been started as a minimal–content thread. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/98 "2023-10-20T11:38:18Z")
Frustrated? Here’s a fitting quote from the above-mentioned _Ignoreland_ aimed at the OP and his ilk: > I’m just profoundly frustrated by all this > So, fuck you, man (fuck 'em) There is beauty in simplicity. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/99 "2023-10-20T15:22:49Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > That had not happened when I posted that other stuff. Polands elections were on the 15th. You posted about the “world shifting right” on the 16th. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674/100 "2023-10-20T15:36:26Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Polands elections were on the 15th. You posted about the “world shifting right” on the 16th. Wait, @Sam_Stone got his dates wrong in a way that undercut his point? Huh. First time for everything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-california-redux-another-1979-like-right-wing-shift/991674.md?page=6)