# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/381 "2011-01-19T01:44:39Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > one quick question for **meeko**. just out of curiosity why single out **pants** for individual scrutiny? > > kind of odd. The question was asked because Pants Pings. I wasn’t sure if it was Pants himself, or Pant’s noobnis showing. Was wondering where I was in relation to everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/382 "2011-01-19T01:46:31Z")
neta: the statement that i made in **giraffe** translates over here nicely in this case. when you are at the bottom of the hole it makes sense to stop digging. but since you already know everything there is to know i am sure you already know that. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/383 "2011-01-19T01:48:55Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > The question was asked because Pants Pings. I wasn’t sure if it was Pants himself, or Pant’s noobnis showing. Was wondering where I was in relation to everyone else. and that is fair enough **meeko**. becuase he has been all over the board. but shit he sure seems to believe what the hell he is saying. i don’t read that as an act at all. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/384 "2011-01-19T01:53:41Z")
Thanks for helping out, Scuba. I promise not to dress you in women’s clothes. Unless you like the gender bending stuff as much as I do… At this point I’m going to put a vote down on Chronos. His early theory about power distribution goes against my instincts as a player and in my mind did nothing for Town (how could he possibly be confident about that much less convince anyone else that it is so?) and when viewed with a little paranoia can be seen as baiting either powers or vanillas to out themselves in their responses to him and any ensuing conversation. **Vote Chronos** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/385 "2011-01-19T01:57:02Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Idlethoughts(1): Suburban Plankton Peeker(1): Pleonast ScubaBen\*(2): Chronos, ushimi Chronos(2): Redskeezix, Cometothedarkside Pleonast(1): Meeko Ushimi(2): Idle, peeker _SpecialEd’s votes remain on ScubaBen_\* ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/386 "2011-01-19T02:26:14Z")
Hi all, I read through the entire. fragging. thread now. It only took me just over an hour. Collected thoughts: 1. I have everybody’s sexes down, from the list earlier. So I won’t have to use Spivak pronouns. Happy, **Plankton**? 🙂 2. **Cookies** , please keep the women’s clothing to yourself, as I am neither a Canadian lumberjack, a woman, or fashionable. 😉 3. I think mass claims wouldn’t help until at least Day 3. Day 1 is always too random, and we need enough information from lynches to know what to make of the claims. 4. As best I can tell, the main reason for the votes on **Ed** now on me were for his dust-up with **ushimi**. Please don’t hold that against me. 5. **ushimi** in #268 and **Idle** in #331 both voted for people without giving any reason (in **Idle** ’s case, the stated reason was “just because”). This early, an unreasoned vote is all I’ve got to go on, and I don’t feel like I can vote **ushimi** without risking OMGUS, as [del]eir[/del] his vote was on **Ed**. Me. Whichever. So by process of elimination, I’ll jump right in with: **Vote Idle Thoughts** ---
**Author:** ![ushimitsudoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9a140/32.png) [@ushimitsudoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ushimitsudoki)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/387 "2011-01-19T02:30:23Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \well at least you admit it was a “bad play”. Neither here nor anywhere else have I admitted it was a “bad play”. I have at all times qualified it with language like “questionable”. [Merriam-Webster is available online should you need further assistance with the English language](http://www.merriam-webster.com/). > [@](#): > > is there any reason why you think that scum would latch onto that more than town? matter of fact it would seem that it would be a town that would hold you to task as opposed to scum, right? . I never suggested that scum would latch onto anything **more** than town, nor that town would not make note, simply that it was not unreasonable that scum would jump onto an opportunity and so do with vigor. The more subtle argument to be made is that Town might **not** beat the drum of a so-called “bad play”, because what’s done is done, so why draw attention to it? I fear you are not one for the subtle, so this is probably lost on you. > [@](#): > > i mean your scum buddies would let it slide hoping that town would not see the futility in your arguments and hoping that town would not hold you accountible My “scum buddies”? Remember when we were talking about “subtle” before? In any case, you point out no “futility” in “my” arguments, because you have not actually addressed any arguments I have made. > [@](#): > > i mean do you really think that scum are the only folks paying attention? > > and i understand the other pillar of your vote being your personal feelings about another player. poor play, very poor play. i mean when two of the tripod are gone you are left riding a unicycle. yep, the vote on unicycly man will stand. The other “pillars” of my vote were not and are not personal feelings. I added 2 reasons for the vote _in addition_ to reasons others stated. In summary, there are a few reasons why you may have dredged up such a weak series of misconceptions and inaccuracies as re-validaton of your vote (For what reason? No one asked you to.); none of which are a competent town mentality. === All that being said; while I understand some people might vote for players they haven’t heard from, that’s not something I’m prepared to do: **unvote ScubaBen** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/388 "2011-01-19T02:32:49Z")
I thought it was pretty obvious why I was voting for **Ushimi**. It’s for the same reason **Peek** votes for him in post [333](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13366497&postcount=333). For being over the top and protesting/insulting as much as he did. So why call me out on voting for him but not **Peek** (who, by the way, said in his voting post “I agree with, **Idle** ” (meaning he was voting for the same reason I was))? Makes no sense. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/389 "2011-01-19T02:33:49Z")
The above is to **Scuba Steve.** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/390 "2011-01-19T03:24:02Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I thought it was pretty obvious why I was voting for **Ushimi**. > It’s for the same reason **Peek** votes for him in post [333](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13366497&postcount=333). For being over the top and protesting/insulting as much as he did. > > So why call me out on voting for him but not **Peek** (who, by the way, said in his voting post “I agree with, **Idle** ” (meaning he was voting for the same reason I was))? > Makes no sense. I missed that one; thanks for catching it **Idle**. **Peeker** cast a “me too” vote for **ushimi** , which I should and do find suspicious. In fact, it seems to me **Peeker** has just a bit more reason for my vote: First, he votes **ushimi** for the aforementioned posts in ushimi’s fray with **Ed** , and second Peek sounds like he’s trying to form a little red wagon. (Which is a far cry from a bandwagon.) It’s still Day 1, so that’s all I’ve got to go with for now. **Unvote Idle Thoughts** **Vote peekercpa** Aside to Idle: Scuba Steve is a different poster, here with me in the extreme sports section. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/391 "2011-01-19T03:28:21Z")
Quoth **Cookies** : > [@](#): > > At this point I’m going to put a vote down on Chronos. His early theory about power distribution goes against my instincts as a player and in my mind did nothing for Town (how could he possibly be confident about that much less convince anyone else that it is so?) and when viewed with a little paranoia can be seen as baiting either powers or vanillas to out themselves in their responses to him and any ensuing conversation. I can only be responsible for my own thought processes: Whether anyone else agrees with me is up to them. I’m just trying to explain what I’m thinking. Incidentally, the fact that we’ve already had two vanilla claims does serve as a point of evidence (though not, of course, proof) against my hypothesis. On another note, it’s really annoying when someone I’m voting for subs out. On the one hand, **Scuba** has the same role that **ed** did, so to the extent that I was suspicious of **ed** , I should also be suspicious of **Scuba**. On the other hand, that means that I’d be voting for someone for something he didn’t do, and from which he can’t really defend himself. And on the gripping hand, I’m now one of the vote leaders, which means I might need to move my vote in self-defense anyway. **Mahaloth, what happens in the event of a tie?** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/392 "2011-01-19T03:31:06Z")
> [@ushimitsudoki](#): > > My point there in isolation is that I don’t think it is unreasonable for Scum to latch onto a questionable “bad play” and beat that drum. ? uh, here’s your quote **sushi dude**. you are the one that characterized your posts as “bad play”. sorry that you have to argue against yourself at this point. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/393 "2011-01-19T03:32:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **peeker** :I think you misunderstand the purpose of a name claim. It’s not necessarily so we can just lynch anyone who has an evil-sounding name, because Scum could foil that plan easily. It’s to pin the Scum down. A townie making a claim doesn’t have to think twice about what to claim: For town it’s simple, just tell the truth. A scum, however, needs to put some effort into coming up with lies, and might not have put in that effort yet. Go back and read the Scum board for any old game, and see when it was that the Scum decided on what their fake claims would be: It’s never until a few Days in, both because it takes time to come up with the claims, and because they want to be able to react to circumstances (for instance, a Scum that’s getting heat for PIS might decide on the spur of the moment to claim an investigative role of some sort). An early name claim removes some of that freedom from Scum. Well… I mean… unless the Scum were given false claims, as Mahaloth has done in all of his previous games. Or unless the Scum names are those of unequivocally good characters, as has been done before, in which case they can claim truthfully and freely. Honestly, I’m agnostic on the whole name claim thing. It’s not going to help us, and it’s unlikely to hurt us. I’d do it if there was general consensus but won’t argue for it, because I don’t see the point, really. On everything else, I really need to read this whole thread tomorrow morning - the game has really taken off and I am, as usual, behind. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/394 "2011-01-19T03:38:48Z")
> [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > The above is to **Scuba Steve.** hey, i don’t think there has been a game that **scuba** hasn’t eventually voted for me for one reason or another. so it is to be expected. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/395 "2011-01-19T03:39:35Z")
…just read the exchange between Ed and ushimitsudoki. Yikes. Without reference to the substance of the argument (and hoping that this won’t run afoul of the Moderator directive not to discuss the situation), I am having a hard time envisioning a Scum ushimitsudoki coming out of the gate in the way he did here. I am open to being convinced otherwise, I guess, but for the moment I am strongly disinclined to vote for ushi. For Ed, either, honestly. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/396 "2011-01-19T03:41:05Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Cookies** :I can only be responsible for my own thought processes: Whether anyone else agrees with me is up to them. I’m just trying to explain what I’m thinking. Incidentally, the fact that we’ve already had two vanilla claims does serve as a point of evidence (though not, of course, proof) against my hypothesis. > > On another note, it’s really annoying when someone I’m voting for subs out. On the one hand, **Scuba** has the same role that **ed** did, so to the extent that I was suspicious of **ed** , I should also be suspicious of **Scuba**. On the other hand, that means that I’d be voting for someone for something he didn’t do, and from which he can’t really defend himself. And on the gripping hand, I’m now one of the vote leaders, which means I might need to move my vote in self-defense anyway. > > **Mahaloth, what happens in the event of a tie?** hey, **chronos** you can always just default vote for me. it’s what this board likes to do. look at **scuba** ’s reasoning. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/397 "2011-01-19T03:43:51Z")
> [@](#): > > Well… I mean… unless the Scum were given false claims, as Mahaloth has done in all of his previous games. In his past few games, he’s given Scum fewer false claims than there were people on the Scum team, so _someone_ would still have to make up one. And even if there are enough to go around, they’d still need to decide who has which one. And it would to some extent prevent them from being opportunistic with their claims (like my example of claiming an investigator to get out of a PIS accusation). And there’s a chance, albeit a small one, of two Scum cross-posting with the same claim. Sure, all of that adds up to only a small net upside, but what’s the downside? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/398 "2011-01-19T03:47:19Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In his past few games, he’s given Scum fewer false claims than there were people on the Scum team, so _someone_ would still have to make up one. And even if there are enough to go around, they’d still need to decide who has which one. And it would to some extent prevent them from being opportunistic with their claims (like my example of claiming an investigator to get out of a PIS accusation). And there’s a chance, albeit a small one, of two Scum cross-posting with the same claim. Sure, all of that adds up to only a small net upside, but what’s the downside? This is pure devil’s advocate, mind - I really doubt Mahaloth has allowed the game to break in any direction based on a name claim. But any argument for a name claim cuts in the opposite direction. If names are (even mildly) meaningful in helping to identify Scum, then they may be equally meaningful in helping to identify power roles. If our detective is Batman and our Doctor is \, then a name claim will draw targets on them for the Scum (who will have the small but modest advantage of knowing one way or another whether names are meaningful because they’ll know whether their own are). ---
**Author:** ![ushimitsudoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9a140/32.png) [@ushimitsudoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ushimitsudoki)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/399 "2011-01-19T03:47:42Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > uh, here’s your quote **sushi dude**. you are the one that characterized your posts as “bad play”. sorry that you have to argue against yourself at this point. Do you not understand the role of the word “questionable” in that sentence? In the diminishing chance that you are honestly confused here, I am saying that the play in question may be considered “bad” by some and “not bad” by others. That is the point of the word “questionable”. It modifies the phrase “bad play” that is the situation was _questionably_ a “bad play”, not a _questionably bad play_ which would be using synonymous adjectives. (Generally considered poor practice). This particular point (that an early opening vanilla town claim is considered bad play by some, but not all players) is one I have mentioned at various lengths in several posts, so even if you were confused by the phrasing here it would be more clear, say here: > [@ushimitsudoki](#): > > Although I understand the argument that unprovoked vanilla claims may be considered “bad play” by some, I also understand that some people don’t agree. That is, there is no clear consensus on the matter. Please let me know if this is not **perfectly** clear and you now realize you are mistaken. Not that I will try a third time to personally explain it to you, but I need to know where to classify you. === Also, **ushimitsudoki** shortens to “ushi”. It has no connection to “sushi”, save all 3 are Japanese words. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/400 "2011-01-19T03:48:03Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > **Mahaloth, what happens in the event of a tie?** It is in the rules on page one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=21)