# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/441 "2011-01-19T17:07:15Z")
I think we’ve got our first lead of the game. I’ll give scuba or suburban a chance to answer first but I think this is going to be about as good as Day one gets. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/442 "2011-01-19T17:23:00Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > I am surprised by all of the heat that C **omeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** is getting compared to almost none for **Red Skeezix** even though he posted the same thing against **Chronos** almost [2 pages earlier](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13365065&postcount=280). My ping meter is not going off for either of them, but I do feel that people have just skipped over **Red Skeezix** unfairly for **Cookies**. While I didn’t really agree with Red’s vote, I felt his seemed a bit better justified than Cookies’. And part of it is just a feeling I get from Cookies’ posts in general. Plus, when I read Red’s post, it just didn’t “click” with me the way Cookies’ did. I am not sure I should really say this before Suburban has a chance to reply, but I also don’t know when I might get the chance to post again. Suburban’s comment didn’t really strike me as unusual since Scuba was the only player I remember volunteering for the sub bench in the signups and Suburban had just played with him in International mafia where he was using Spivac pronouns. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/443 "2011-01-19T17:26:40Z")
> [@ushimitsudoki](#): > > lol, umad? Out of game [Are you parodying this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13298750&postcount=60) (the only other place that term is ever mentioned)? Or is this some new internet lingo from some elite site where people talk like this? /Oog ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/444 "2011-01-19T17:34:15Z")
Nevermind, I just googled it. Guess it’s a new-ish meme. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/445 "2011-01-19T17:43:52Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **Plankton** , in reference to **ed** bowing out, makes a strange comment about deciphering funny pronouns. I couldn’t figure out what he could mean by that. > > Ninety minutes later, the moderator announces that **Scuba\_Ben** , our wet Spivak-pronoun-user would be replacing **ed**. Then it clicked to me: **Plankton** was making a reference to that replacement. > > How could he know? My initial thought is that the moderator informed the scum on their secret board before they told us. And now that you mention it, it would make sense for the moderator to do that because both **Plankton** and **Scuba/Ed** are scum. > > It also occurs to me that they could both be masons, if the masons have a secret board, too. In any case, that’s where my vote is until I hear a good explanation. Ah! The missing piece for me is that I didn’t know that **Scuba\_Ben** had a connection to Spivak pronouns (I’ll take your word for that part). Yeah. I mean, yeah. **Vote Suburban Plankton** ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/446 "2011-01-19T17:48:22Z")
I dunno, I went back and read it and to me it sounds like he ( **Plankton** ) was basically asking if they’d have to do that whole “figuring out who is male/female” thing again like someone did with that long list at the start (with the addition of a new player). It didn’t read to me like he knew who that player was going to be (or what gender they’d be). ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/447 "2011-01-19T18:03:38Z")
**Idle** - I dunno. **Plankton** and **Scuba** are the two players who explicitly mentioned weird pronouns in this thread (I went back and looked). Plankton’s reference to the weird pronouns seems to be a specific reference to the player who claimed a connection to them (Scuba). But I guess your interpretation is valid, too. Probably we should let Plankton respond for himself, though somehow I doubt he’s going to say “hey, you’re right, I’m Scum and so was Ed. Nice work, everybody!” ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/448 "2011-01-19T18:13:29Z")
Ohhh, okay, I understand now. I didn’t know that\*\* Scuba Ben \*\*had a history of using funny pronouns. That’s where ya’ll had lost me. I agree, now, that it looks very weird that **Plankton** would make reference to a player known for using funny pronouns BEFORE learning that that player was in the game. **Unvote Ushimi Vote S Plankton** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/449 "2011-01-19T18:25:50Z")
first of all, Scuba\_Ben announced during the ‘set-up’ portion of the game that he wouldn’t be playing off the bat, but would like to be on stand-by as a sub. Post 35: > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Bleached. > > **What happenes if peeker won’t shut up?** > > As requested. 🙂 > > Anyway… I’ll be a sub, not a starter. A while later, peeker asks about gender. I recalled Scuba\_Ben’s use of Spivak pronouns in International Mafia, where he and I had a brief conversation on the subject, and I made this post. Post 67: > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > [@peekercpa](#): > > > > and to get one of the obligatory administrative functions out of the way before we are well and truly kicked off. > > > > can **sushi** and **pants** confirm whether they are in possession of penis or merely envious of the lack thereof? > > > > pronouns are important. > > So you don’t want to use “Ey”, “em”, and “Eir”? Scuba\_Ben replied a little while later. Post 86 > [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > I’m not playing yet. So e doesn’t have to worry for now about my use of Spivak pronouns. 😛 So, when it was announced that \*\*Ed \*\*was going to be subbed out, my mind went back to this conversation from the beginning of the game, and I made my comment about “deciphering those funny pronouns” as a way to make a light-hearted jab at **Ben** , and because I figured there was a fair chance that \*\*Ben \*\*would actually be the sub, since he had expressly mentioned that he would be available for just such a need. Sorry, no PIS here, no ‘accidental post’, no reading the forbidden thread. Just a joke, and evidence that occasionally I \*do \*pay closer attention to things than the rest of you, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/450 "2011-01-19T18:30:51Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > I am surprised by all of the heat that C **omeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** is getting compared to almost none for **Red Skeezix** even though he posted the same thing against **Chronos** almost [2 pages earlier](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13365065&postcount=280). My ping meter is not going off for either of them, but I do feel that people have just skipped over **Red Skeezix** unfairly for **Cookies**. **Cookies** and **Red Skeezix** are voting for Chronos for different reasons. Why is it unfair to find one reason suspect, and one not? Red Skeezix: > [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > His earlier statement about making assumptions, feels like a disclaimer to me. If I get cynical, I can easily read it as “I’m making this assumption now, so when I slip up later about the make up of the scum team, I can point back to this statement and say I’ve been assuming this all along.” Not to mention it reeks of the fear of being lynched. It’s just too overcautious, and doesn’t strike me as a very townish thing to say. I will say this though, he does have history on his side for getting burned on making assumptions (Harry Potter, IIRC). Red is voting for Chronos because he feels Chronos is laying support for a future backpedal. He further supports his vote by saying it “reeks of fear,” a claim I don’t agree with but accept as a fair analysis. The crux of his vote is that it doesn’t strike him as a town thing to say. This is _similar_ to one of Cookie’s reasons, but not identical. Cookies: > [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > At this point I’m going to put a vote down on Chronos. His early theory about power distribution goes against my instincts as a player and in my mind did nothing for Town (how could he possibly be confident about that much less convince anyone else that it is so?) and when viewed with a little paranoia can be seen as baiting either powers or vanillas to out themselves in their responses to him and any ensuing conversation. I’ve explained my issues with this post before. Cookies isn’t saying it’s not a town thing to say. Cookies is saying it actively **does not help town.** That’s such a patently ridiculous claim that it immediately jumped out at me. Cookies is also voting for Chronos for apparent baiting, which I also didn’t see. A follow-up question for you: I’m unclear on whether your “ping meter” comment referred to me and MentalGuy, or Red and Cookies. Could you clarify, please? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/451 "2011-01-19T18:31:51Z")
NETA: I type all that out, and forgot the Plankton issue. My vote stands on Cookies for now; I’m willing to give SP the chance to defend himself first. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/452 "2011-01-19T18:35:08Z")
NETA, take two: And now I see he beat me to it anyway. Way to go, Astral. Suburban, your reasoning seems fine to me. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/453 "2011-01-19T18:47:10Z")
As it happens, by the time **Plankton** cringed at the thought of Spivak pronouns, I had already confirmed with **Mahaloth** that I was at the top of the sub list. Would it help if I provided the timestamp and eir PM? Aw bugger. There I go again. :smack: I have sexes for the players but not the mod… ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/454 "2011-01-19T18:47:19Z")
Yeah, I buy it. **Unvote**. The person I’m most suspicious of right now remains to be Ushimi for, among many other things (including being over the top and seeming like he’s acting too “furious” for his own good), the fact he was voting for Ed, yet doesn’t find Scuba Ben (Ed’s replacement) worthy of one. And while this was not my reason for voting originally (it was just because he was insulting and I wanted to poke a little harmless fun at him)…it’s a good reason to (again) now. **Vote Ushimi** ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/455 "2011-01-19T18:50:44Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > As it happens, by the time **Plankton** cringed at the thought of Spivak pronouns, I had already confirmed with **Mahaloth** that I was at the top of the sub list. Would it help if I provided the timestamp and eir PM? > > Aw bugger. There I go again. :smack: I have sexes for the players but not the mod… Actually, I don’t think that would help at all. Although you and **Mahaloth** may had already confirmed things, nobody here knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/456 "2011-01-19T18:55:08Z")
Quoth **Red Skeezix** : > [@](#): > > And I’m a little surprised at Chronos talking about making a defense vote when the lynch candidate only has two votes at present, but hasn’t bothered to make much of a stand against the votes he’s garnered. Or even address my vote against him at all. Fair enough. At the time, I was figuring that a single vote was no big deal, and that if I spent too much energy defending it I might turn the thread into a big back-and-forth between the two of us, distracting from everything else. But of course, votes ended up getting spread pretty widely for a while there, so one voted ended up being significant after all. But to address your [original argument](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=13365065#post13365065): First of all, I have a habit (which I actively cultivate) in all of my communications of including disclaimers. It’s part of a scientific effort to be sure I’m telling the whole story. And second, while I would not say that I have a _fear_ of being lynched, I (like everyone else in the game) would obviously prefer not to be. For one thing, the death of any Townie hurts the Town as a whole, and thus hurts my own chances of winning. And for another thing, of course, I play this game because it’s fun, and getting lynched would mean I wouldn’t have the fun of playing any more. On the current **Plankton** / **Scuba** issue: First of all, to be fair (and as **MentalGuy** has already posted), **Scuba** was the only one who said he’d sub, so **Plankton** might have just guessed that it’d be him. And while I can see the moderator maybe informing the Scum specially, why would he do so 90 minutes (more than that, really, since in this scenario there had to be some time lapse between **Mahaloth** telling the Scum and **Suburban** seeing it) before the rest of the board? Also, if the argument’s true, it seems to implicate both of them equally, so there’s the question of which of the two we should lynch first. Can anyone come up with a scenario where there’s anything to it, but where only one or the other is Scum? Eh, it’s probably still better than anything else I’d be able to come up with before Dusk, and I’m already voting for **Scuba** anyway as a carry-over from my vote on **ed** , so I might as well just stay there. And I probably won’t be able contribute much more before then, either, since my afternoon and evening are pretty busy today. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/457 "2011-01-19T18:57:54Z")
\*\* Vote Count: Idlethoughts(1): Suburban Peeker(1): ScubaBen ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Pleonast(1): Meeko Ushimi(5): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Astral Suburbanplankton(2): Pleonast, story Day One ends in a little over 25 hours.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/458 "2011-01-19T19:05:33Z")
I can’t get behind the case (or cases) on **ushimitsudoki**. The first votes on him seemed to be based on his attitude, not on his actual gameplay. While I can understand them at the time, I don’t think they stand up on their own. I see the argument that if he thought **Ed/Ben** was Scum before, then he ought to think that **Ed/Ben** is Scum now. But I don’t think it’s a great argument. This is still Day 1, and whatever case \*\*ushi \*\*had against \*\*Ed \*\*was not a “very strong” one. It had to be based primarily on \*\*Ed’s \*\*behavior, because we don’t really have much else to base a case on at this point. So I can understand him not wanting to lynch \*\*Ben \*\*based upon \*\*Ed’s \*\*behavior. If this were, say, Day 3 or 4, I would have a different opinion, because by that point a vote ought to have some ‘meat’ behind it regardless of the parson behind the role. But this early on I don’t see a problem with wanting to give **Ben** a clean slate to start with. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/459 "2011-01-19T19:07:00Z")
At present, I don’t see much reason to change my vote. For that matter, neither is there much reason to keep it where it is. So maybe the pot needs a bit of stirring. :poke: **Ushimi** , you’re the vote leader. Care to talk your way out of it? Everybody else, anybody got a good defense of Ushimi? :: looks at pot :: Stone soup _again_? Aw man. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/460 "2011-01-19T19:14:19Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > At present, I don’t see much reason to change my vote. For that matter, neither is there much reason to keep it where it is. So maybe the pot needs a bit of stirring. > > :poke: > > **Ushimi** , you’re the vote leader. Care to talk your way out of it? Everybody else, anybody got a good defense of Ushimi? > > :: looks at pot :: > > Stone soup _again_? Aw man. As it seems likely that you and I cross-posted, I’ll answer your question on **ushi**. Although, as I stated, I don’t feel the arguments against him are strong, I also don’t have a defense for him. I think his vote on \*\*Ed \*\*was poor, and it seems to me to have been based on personality not gameplay, despite what he claims. Basically, I don’t get a vibe on him one way or the other, based on actual gameplay. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=22) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=24)