# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/481 "2011-01-20T04:12:55Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > … > > I really don’t get this. And I don’t get all the people who voted for Plankton, and then backed off when he posted an explanation. Again, what did you _think_ he was going to say? “Yes, you’re right, I heard that ScubaBen was subbing in on the Scum board?” Of _course_ he was going to say some variant on what he actually said, whether true or not. Frankly, the rapidity with which a few people backed off **Plankton** entirely on the basis of his entirely predictable (albeit not necessarily untruthful) defense has me thinking that at least some of those people might not have been terribly genuine in their suspicion to begin with. Which, in turn, piques my interest in those folks. > > Also, Wolverine, I am still voting for Plankton as well; why did you vote for Pleonast over me? Pleonast was first with his vote leading the charge. If you were first, I would have voted for you instead. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/482 "2011-01-20T05:08:49Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The loud speaker crackled. “No kidding, zeroes,” said the voice…sighing yet again. :dubious: They say, when taking a multiple choice test, to always go with your first instinct, and to not second guess yourself. You will most often be correct. That being said, My first instinct on this info is the following : **Unvote Pleonast** **Vote Pants** **On the assumption that Scum can communicate 24/7.** It would totally work with the theory that he is being coached. The “ **Fruitless** ” question I asked earlier [Early on, in Night -1 or Night 0], Along with **California Roll** asking a similar question just here recently, and quoted in a **Plankton** post. - I guess Zero is a Rhyme with Hero, and not some Math equation. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/483 "2011-01-20T05:14:22Z")
**NETA** Looks like **Plankton** asked the question more formally. FTR : The question was asked a total of three times, the second time was by **Sushi** , I thought, who didn’t color it, but did a decent job making it noticeable, outside of Mafia conventions. \*\*Suffice to say, I didn’t read Planktons Post, because I read Maha, and I already counted ““Twice””. \*\* Suffice to say further, that, somehow, it doesn’t really change anything for me, and yet, it changes everything. Yet my most recent vote change remains. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/484 "2011-01-20T05:43:43Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **NETA** > > Looks like **Plankton** asked the question more formally. FTR : The question was asked a total of three times, the second time was by **Sushi** , I thought, who didn’t color it, but did a decent job making it noticeable, outside of Mafia conventions. > > \*\*Suffice to say, I didn’t read Planktons Post, because I read Maha, and I already counted ““Twice””. \*\* > > Suffice to say further, that, somehow, it doesn’t really change anything for me, and yet, it changes everything. > > Yet my most recent vote change remains. … huh? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/485 "2011-01-20T14:12:46Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > … huh? Maha stated that he “” answered “” a question that was asked twice. I read his answer, and counted My question, back on Night -1 or 0, and the one that Sushi, IIRC, asked. Having counted two answers to the question, I moved to respond to Maha. Only after I responded to Maha, did I realize that Plankton, to my Count, asked the 24/7 Scum board question, a third time. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/486 "2011-01-20T14:20:35Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Idlethoughts(1): Suburban Peeker(1): ScubaBen ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Pleonast(1): Wolverine Ushimi(5): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Astral Suburbanplankton(2): Pleonast, story Thesearemypants(1): Meeko\*\* \*\* The Day ends in about 6 hours or so.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/487 "2011-01-20T14:24:28Z")
[quote=“Meeko, post:482, topic:567544”] Along with **California Roll** asking a similar question just here recently, and quoted in a **Plankton** post. > [@Meeko](#): > > FTR : The question was asked a total of three times, the second time was by **Sushi** , I thought, who didn’t color it, but did a decent job making it noticeable, outside of Mafia conventions. \ It’s confusing enough when I use Spivak pronouns. **Meeko** , please don’t muck with creative nicknames for **ushimi**. “California roll,” indeed. \ My position hasn’t changed – I don’t have any good candidates to vote for. So instead of looking for suspicion “peaks” maybe I should look for suspicion “lows” and work by process of elimination. (Some minutes and mental editing later…) I have no read on anyone. I’ve got 17 lows and myself. Which is normal for me. All I _do_ have is the dust-up between ushimi and Ed, a distraction I’ve fallen for several times before. Plus I’m now in Ed’s shoes. I don’t think that fray is reason enough for me to vote for ushimi. I’ll reread this thread as time permits. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/488 "2011-01-20T14:34:04Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > … > > And I don’t get all the people who voted for Plankton, and then backed off when he posted an explanation. > > Which, in turn, piques my interest in those folks. well i think the only soul that meets this criteria is **idle**. and while i don’t discount the fact that he may indeed have several separate and distinct personalities i am not quite sure that i am ready to pluralize him. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/489 "2011-01-20T14:46:48Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\* > The Day ends in about 6 hours or so.\*\* Holy crap, where has this Day gone? I just don’t see a good case against any one. Of course this is the norm for Day one but I hate it. After seeing it work in other games I’m going to go with those that point out PIS are prone to be scum, so . . . **Vote Pleo** It’s not great but it’s the best I’ve got. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/490 "2011-01-20T14:56:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The Day ends in about 6 hours or so.\*\* Wait, _what?_ Crap, somehow I thought we had until Saturday. Ugh. So are we really going to lynch **ushi** here? People are really believing that his behavior so far is consistent with Scum? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/491 "2011-01-20T15:02:09Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > I don’t know about anyon esle, but I’m sticking a pin in the posts of players advancing the ‘gotcha’ angle on Suburban’s pronoun post for further review later. It just smacks of opportunism to me, and not necessarily in a pro-town manner. And it adds a +1 to the overall metagaming vibe I’m still getting from this game. \ question and this is no b.s. **cookies** because i am once again kind of siding with **pleo**. not with his conclusion but at least his reasoning. shouldn’t anything posted in this thread be fair game for analysis? so if, for example, a drunken scum mistakenly posted to the main board rather than the scum board shouldn’t that be fair game (this, of course, has happened. and no, it wasn’t me)? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/492 "2011-01-20T15:09:16Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Wait, _what?_ > > Crap, somehow I thought we had until Saturday. > > Ugh. > > So are we really going to lynch **ushi** here? People are really believing that his behavior so far is consistent with Scum? well we have inconsistencies about positions (within the same stinking post). we’ve got an overblown reaction to confrontation (if it even rose to that level). we’ve got a vote switch based merely on a substitution - and to some extent if he would have just come out and said that his original vote was because he had a sore ass then he would look even worse. and now no fracking vote - based on **maha** ’s most recent update. so yeh, for Day 1 it’s better than a lot of cases. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/493 "2011-01-20T15:28:01Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > \ > > question and this is no b.s. **cookies** because i am once again kind of siding with **pleo**. not with his conclusion but at least his reasoning. shouldn’t anything posted in this thread be fair game for analysis? so if, for example, a drunken scum mistakenly posted to the main board rather than the scum board shouldn’t that be fair game (this, of course, has happened. and no, it wasn’t me)? Yeah, I kind of remember that. I think **Zuma** was making the drunken posts. It was almost a meme for a while. Plus there was the famous slip-up in (I think) Sekhmet where a Scum outed himself by posting overNight discussions in the game thread, then deleted it. That shook up the game. And it still came down to a 2 on 1. So anything since the start of Night Zero is fair game. In other matters: I don’t see much follow up to **ushimi** ’s post of yesterday evening. Did we slip into a haze of “he’s the vote leader, it’s Day 1, let him swing”? And **Chipacabra** : I lost track, who’s your next candidate after ushimi? ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/494 "2011-01-20T15:29:30Z")
ABWOP: **peeker** right above me seems to have summed up why discussion of ushimi tapered off. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/495 "2011-01-20T15:32:20Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Idlethoughts(1): Suburban Peeker(1): ScubaBen ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Pleonast(2): Wolverine, Oredigger Ushimi(5): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Astral Suburbanplankton(2): Pleonast, story Thesearemypants(1): Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![ushimitsudoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9a140/32.png) [@ushimitsudoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ushimitsudoki)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/496 "2011-01-20T15:33:27Z")
I’ll be asleep when the hangman comes. If it is permissible, I’d like to “proxy vote” to save my own butt. If it is numerically possible to vote for someone such that the count exceeds (or ties, if that matters) the count on me, then I vote for that person. if there are two or more such potential persons, I vote in alphabetical order. If such a “proxy vote” is not permissible, that is perfectly fine and I will vote **Cometothedarkside** For reasons alphabetic and one more reason explained later. === Well, all I can say is I’m Town. I’m Vanilla. I’m from the DC Comics Universe… **I’m Batman!** Heh. At least I got to say that much. === A few quick thoughts in no particular order or fleshed-out-ness: It’s odd that such a righteous big deal was made over my possible “personal” reasons for voting, when **Idle Thoughts** straight up says he was voting against me “just because he was insulting and I wanted to poke a little harmless fun at him”. Yet no one says boo about it? If you think my play has been _suboptimal_ if I were Town, imagine how bad it would be if I were Scum. I reject the notion that anyone seriously thinks I’m Scum. **Cometothedarkside** pings me a bit. She’s not the only person who has either misrepresented or apparently refused to understand my un-vote, but it is not a “policy to give subs a free pass”, and furthermore she says “I don’t know ushi very well” (#475). Um, no. You don’t know me **at all**. Anyway, all of those people are on my ping list, but this combined with the excruciating talk about not metagaming while engaging vigorously in metagaming is enough to garner my vote. A similar ping comes from **Chipacabra** who has already pre-emptively laid down butt-covering justification for his vote (#466). Numbers alone saved him the eternal shame of hearing me cast a vote of derision in his general direction. I don’t think I understood a damn thing **Meeko** said the entire game. On preview, I see **peckerhead** ’s babblings, so let me give them the full attention they deserve here: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/497 "2011-01-20T15:33:30Z")
\*\*Day One ends in 4 1/2 hours, at 3 PM Eastern. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/498 "2011-01-20T15:38:32Z")
> [@ushimitsudoki](#): > > A question: > > It is my understanding there is a scum board where they discuss strategy. Do they so during Game Days as well, or only Game Nights? > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > **Mahaloth, can Scum strategize during the Day?** These kind of questions always make my suspicion meter itch. Something about how they subtly say “What? I’m not scum, so I would I know?!” all innocent-like. Ushimi’s comes across more this way (“Teehee, explain this to me since I’m not scum and could therefore definitely not know!”) than Suburban’s…but still. I’m happy with my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/499 "2011-01-20T15:55:03Z")
On reread, I’ve something else that bothers me. First, we have the vote (post 331): > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > **Vote ushimitsudoki** , just because. Poor reason to vote. Then, an explanation (post 388) in response to **Ben** : > [@Idle\_Thoughts](#): > > I thought it was pretty obvious why I was voting for **Ushimi**. > It’s for the same reason **Peek** votes for him in post [333](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=13366497&postcount=333). For being over the top and protesting/insulting as much as he did. > > So why call me out on voting for him but not **Peek** (who, by the way, said in his voting post “I agree with, **Idle** ” (meaning he was voting for the same reason I was))? > Makes no sense. Except, Idle’s vote was in post 331, before **peeker** ’s vote. (And **Idle** even notes that **peeker** references him.) While voting for no stated reason is bad enough, it looks like **Idle** is trying to spin his lack of voting to match up with someone else’s later vote. **unvote Suburban Plankton** **vote Idle Thoughts** for: 1. Voting without a stated reason. 2. Trying to use someone else’s vote to retcon their own vote. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/500 "2011-01-20T16:06:32Z")
Since Pleonast has taken his vote off of Suburban Plankton \*\*unvote Pleonast vote storyteller0910\*\* I still think Plankton’s comment can be explained fully by the comments made in this thread from page 1 to his post. Any appeal to a scum board as being the source is entirely unsubstantiated and feels like digging for an excuse to lynch somebody. Sorry, but you did ask for it **story**. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=26)