# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/541 "2011-01-20T19:07:17Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > :dubious: > > They say, when taking a multiple choice test, to always go with your first instinct, and to not second guess yourself. You will most often be correct. > > That being said, My first instinct on this info is the following : > > **Unvote Pleonast** > > **Vote Pants** > > **On the assumption that Scum can communicate 24/7.** > > It would totally work with the theory that he is being coached. > > The “ **Fruitless** ” question I asked earlier [Early on, in Night -1 or Night 0], > > Along with **California Roll** asking a similar question just here recently, and quoted in a **Plankton** post. > > - > > I guess Zero is a Rhyme with Hero, and not some Math equation. Right, okay I don’t understand your reasoning here. Your premise is that I’m a newbie behaving like a newbie, so I must be being coached to behave like newbie? I think it’s quite easy for a newbie to behave like a newbie without the need for coaching. I also wonder why you think my newbie status is questionable and indicative of me being scum, when it was clear before roles were assigned. Why do you keep on telling me not to “play the newbie card”, when it’s you make the biggest deal of the fact that I am a newbie? Why the vote when I haven’t actualy posted anything in between your last reponse to me? Okay you’ve justified this as a response to ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/542 "2011-01-20T19:10:04Z")
OOps, should’ve added (to my last post, posted too early) …to a question, but is it usual for scum not be able to communicate during the day (I don’t know)? If it is not it still seems to me when you accused me of being ‘coached’ early you had already assumed they can. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/543 "2011-01-20T19:10:12Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Scrolling up from the latest thread, I just found this one. > Oh Boy. > > I got an hour to catch up. Ok, It wasn’t a smoking gun PIS. If it was even a PIS at all. Appeared to just be clarification on terms. I don’t think I could fully understand and back up a vote switch to Digger given the time left. If it was a smoking gun PIS, it would be different. Changes notwithstanding, I don’t think I will be switching my vote. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/544 "2011-01-20T19:10:56Z")
Meeko! Pants! Glad to have you two back. Pants, feel free to poke Meeko. It doesn’t look like ushimi will be around for any last minute defenses. Meeko, would you like for all of us to vote for you Tomorrow? Would that make you feel more comfortable? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/545 "2011-01-20T19:27:47Z")
Pants, unless I’m mistaken you don’t currently have a vote. Are you abstaining on purpose, or are you planning on casting one soon? ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/546 "2011-01-20T19:30:40Z")
I have to admit I don’t know who to vote for. I’m not convinced **ushimi** is scum, I would’ve thought someone playing sucm would be a bit more tentative, thoguh his switch once **special ed** was subbed was illogical. Right now I have the connundrum, at this late stage do I make my vote count? In which case the choice is only **Oredigger** or **ushimi** Right now I think the case against **Oredigger** is stronger, simply from the inconsistency pointed out in his claim. I’m wary of castign a meangingless vote. [ **vote Oredigger** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/547 "2011-01-20T19:32:01Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Idlethoughts(2): Suburban, Pleonast ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Pleonast(1): Oredigger Ushimi(5): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Ushimi Oredigger(5): story, Wolverine ScubaBen, Astral, Thesearemypants Thesearemypants(1): Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/548 "2011-01-20T19:35:02Z")
Well, shit, I don’t want to vote for ushi but since it’ll take two votes to cancel mine if I do and I know I’m town while only suspecting he’s not scum I’m going to have to go the self preservation route. **Unvote pleo Vote Ushi** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/549 "2011-01-20T19:38:03Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Meeko, would you like for all of us to vote for you Tomorrow? Would that make you feel more comfortable? Scuba, we’ve played a few together, right ? I was just making the offhand comment, that where it matters [Votes] , I can see improvement in my play, as reflected by others. It was recent memory where nearly everyone in the game wanted to forcibly sub me out. I’ve had games where I’ve dropped numerous F bombs, and ranted on newly minted terms in the Mafia lexicon. I’ve had at least 2 games where I claimed on Day 1. So. Just saying that yes, I think this is one of my better games, so far. So. Just saying that no, I would not like votes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/550 "2011-01-20T19:39:04Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Idlethoughts(2): Suburban, Pleonast ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Ushimi(6): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle, Oredigger Cometothedarkside(2): Mentalguy, Ushimi Oredigger(5): story, Wolverine ScubaBen, Astral, Thesearemypants Thesearemypants(1): Meeko\*\* ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/551 "2011-01-20T19:45:10Z")
**May I proxy vote on behalf of ushi?** ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/552 "2011-01-20T19:45:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Scuba, we’ve played a few together, right ? > {snip} > So. Just saying that yes, I think this is one of my better games, so far. > > So. Just saying that no, I would not like votes. We’ve played together, I think it’s been quite some time. And next game I’ll have to flip a coin between voting for the opening-bell claim and voting for you. 😉 Back to this game. I really REALLY don’t like **Pants** popping up close to Dusk and creating a tie. If I recall the tiebreaker rule correctly, that wouldn’t save **ushimi**. Even so, **Oredigger** ’s self-preservation vote is standard practice. So I consider his vote switch a null tell. I’m not certain whether I should keep an eye on Oredigger, Pants, or who Tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/553 "2011-01-20T19:47:40Z")
You know, I’m going to catch some heat for this, but I think votes based solely on self-preservation are anti-town. **unvote Idle Thoughts** **vote Oredigger77** Note to **ushi** , if you switch your vote to **Ore** , I will switch my vote to you for the same reason. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/554 "2011-01-20T19:49:18Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > We’ve played together, I think it’s been quite some time. And next game I’ll have to flip a coin between voting for the opening-bell claim and voting for you. 😉 > > Back to this game. I really REALLY don’t like **Pants** popping up close to Dusk and creating a tie. If I recall the tiebreaker rule correctly, that wouldn’t save **ushimi**. Even so, **Oredigger** ’s self-preservation vote is standard practice. So I consider his vote switch a null tell. > > I’m not certain whether I should keep an eye on Oredigger, Pants, or who Tomorrow. Yes I was worried this may be the case, however I was aware that it would not have saved **ushimi**. I thought I can either abstain, make a fluff vote for someone who isn’t in contention or make a vote that whilst not changing the balance could potentially count. I felt I had to do the latter. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/555 "2011-01-20T19:50:08Z")
Well, I don’t really think Ushimi is scum. I think Oredigger could be and I think the arguments that he is likely scum are good arguments. I am going to **Unvote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies** **Vote Oredigger77** Of the trio Pleo, Oredigger, or Cookies, I am not sure who would be my top candidate, but I would rather lynch someone I think has a good chance of being scum than someone I suspect is town. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/556 "2011-01-20T19:51:15Z")
:: throws heat at **Pleonast** :: Pleo, I disagree. Everybody wants to survive (barring a Jester role). Self preservation is quite reasonable, neither pro nor anti Town. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/557 "2011-01-20T19:52:07Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > You know, I’m going to catch some heat for this, but I think votes based solely on self-preservation are anti-town. How do you figure? Unless there is a reason for me to believe that Ushi has a greater value to town then me, which based on his vanilla claim isn’t possible (because even if I was vanilla it would be equal). Why wouldn’t it be better from my perspective, as town, to keep the more likely to be town around? If anything creating a tie where scum can easily manipulate the situation seems to be a more dubious move. ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/558 "2011-01-20T19:52:37Z")
Yes, I disagree with Pleo on that point also. Self preservation votes make sense for almost anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/559 "2011-01-20T19:53:18Z")
And now **MentalGuy** comes in and puts **Oredigger** on the block, capping the late rally. Valid concern about Oredigger? Or trying to save a teammate? (Which could be masonry in action.) ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/560 "2011-01-20T19:55:36Z")
I guess I should claim now despite my attempt to avoid it. I’m vanilla town as well; I’m Mulder from X-Files. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=29)