# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/561 "2011-01-20T19:55:44Z")
> [@Scuba\_Ben](#): > > Pleo, I disagree. Everybody wants to survive (barring a Jester role). Self preservation is quite reasonable, neither pro nor anti Town. I understanding wanting to survive, but in many circumstances it is anti-town. In particular, vanilla townies should not place their own survival over the town’s desire to lynch them. Power roles can justify it, but **Ore** has not claimed anything. So that indicates to me that they are likely scum. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/562 "2011-01-20T19:56:52Z")
Here’s my late-Day assessment. The case against **ushimi** was mostly based on his argument with **special ed** , and what did or did not happen after I subbed in for Ed. That’s not a good game reason to lynch him. The case against Oredigger was entirely on page 11. It’s a bit stronger, but it’s also close to Dusk. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/563 "2011-01-20T19:57:15Z")
Day ends in a few minutes, but my write up will be delayed slightly. I’ll get it done ASAP, but the Day is done at 3:00. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/564 "2011-01-20T19:58:22Z")
1. Pleo simulposted with Ore’s claim. 2. My assessment in 562 repeals my question in 559, as I had a few minutes to think about it and get in an assessment before Dusk. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/565 "2011-01-20T19:59:30Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > You know, I’m going to catch some heat for this, but I think votes based solely on self-preservation are anti-town. Damned right you’re going to catch heat. That is wrong, wrong, wrong. If you are town and you have a chance to self preserve, the correct move is to take it _unless_ you have reason a really good reason to believe that the other candidate is a town power role. If the other candidate is any random other player, you make the vote. This is simple math. You are 100% chance to be town. Every single other player is less than 100% chance to be town. Therefore lynching them instead is pro-town. And this is coming from someone whose philosophy for VT is to _try to die well_ and will jump on undue self-preservation as a scum tell. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/566 "2011-01-20T20:10:08Z")
Day has ended. Write-up coming. Quiet, please. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/567 "2011-01-20T20:19:49Z")
The loud speaker crackled and the heroes waited a moment, then heard the bored yawn and sigh that preceded its previous messages. “Well, that was fun, wasn’t it? If I cared about what happened, it might have also be intriguing. Still, though, it’s nice to see so many of you beaten up and frustrated. Oh, and it looks like you have no clear idea who is truly evil. I don’t know why, but I like that. Oredigger, then? Switching as the last minute? How suspicious and predictable. Well, have it your way.” Oredigger sat there. “No, it can not go down like this!” he cried. Then his heart exploded. A lot. Oredigger is dead. But who was he? “Return to your rooms. The Day is over,” said the voice from the loudspeaker. The heroes returned to their rooms, wondering who Oredigger is. Their TV’s(not HD or anything, just old-style TV’s) sprung on, showing the following video. [Everybody dies, even main characters.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4yEVkCfTS4) \*\*Oredigger was Fox Mulder from the X-files. He was a member of the Excellent Indivisible Unity of Good Characters. He had no special powers; he was Vanilla Town. \*\* Night One has begun. It ends at 12 Noon Eastern on Saturday, January 22. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/568 "2011-01-20T20:22:17Z")
Go, Town!! ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/569 "2011-01-20T20:54:36Z")
the wise have spoken. such is our lot to listen to them. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/570 "2011-01-20T21:13:32Z")
Holy Clusterfuck Batman! That was certainly…something… Where’s the liquor cabinet? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/571 "2011-01-20T21:19:23Z")
**Can we get a final vote count?** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/572 "2011-01-20T21:49:31Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > **Can we get a final vote count?** \*\*Final Vote Count: Idlethoughts(1): Suburban ScubaBen(1): Chronos Chronos(1): Redskeezix Ushimi(6): peeker, Cometothedarkside, Oneandonly, Chipacabra, Idle, Oredigger Cometothedarkside(1): Ushimi Oredigger(7): story, Wolverine ScubaBen, Astral, Thesearemypants, Pleonast, Mentalguy Thesearemypants(1): Meeko \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/573 "2011-01-20T21:52:49Z")
That vote count, at least in the case of Oredigger, does not correctly identify the order of votes. ---
**Author:** ![ushimitsudoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e9a140/32.png) [@ushimitsudoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ushimitsudoki)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/574 "2011-01-20T22:11:21Z")
Holy poop. Imagine waking up, not-knowing what was went down, driving into work (daring not to check on your iPhone, lest you rear-end someone) so you hurridly get on-line and reading all that. Need clean underwear. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/575 "2011-01-20T22:12:05Z")
This is what I have, but I don’t guarantee it’s accuracy: Idle Thoughts (1): Suburban Plankton (237), [del]Scuba\_Ben (386-390)[/del], [del]Pleonast (499-553)[/del] peekercpa (0): [del]Pleonast (238-433)[/del], [del]Scuba\_Ben (390-524)[/del] Special Ed/Scuba\_Ben (1): Chronos (244), [del]ushimitsudoki (268-387)[/del], [del]These are my own pants (291-316)[/del] Chronos (1): Red Skeezix (280), [del]ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (384-417)[/del] Pleonast (0): [del]Meeko (304-482)[/del], [del]Wolverine (472-500)[/del], [del]Oredigger77 (489-548)[/del] ushimitsudoki (6): [del]Idle Thoughts (331-448)[/del], peekercpa (333), ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (417), One And Only Wanderers (421), Chipacabra (423), Idle Thoughts (454), Oredigger77 (548) ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (1): [del]MentalGuy (408-555)[/del], [del]Astral Rejection (412-522)[/del], ushimitsudoki (496) Suburban Plankton (0): [del]Pleonast (433-499)[/del], [del]storyteller0910 (445-504)[/del], [del]Idle Thoughts (448-454)[/del] These are my own pants (1): Meeko (482) storyteller0910 (0): [del]Wolverine (500-509)[/del] Oredigger77 (7): storyteller0910 (504), Wolverine (511), Astral Rejection (522), Scuba\_Ben (524), These are my own pants (546), Pleonast (553), MentalGuy (555) ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/576 "2011-01-20T22:33:36Z")
Damn hell crap damn. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/577 "2011-01-20T22:51:31Z")
Jesus H, y’all are hard on vampires. Sorry to see you go, MulderDigger. ---
**Author:** ![Scuba\_Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Scuba\_Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scuba_Ben)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/578 "2011-01-20T22:59:02Z")
Aw dang. I’m terribly sorry about that, OreFoxDigger. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/579 "2011-01-20T23:24:02Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Damn hell crap damn. and this is not strategy but merely fact statement. why would you feel this way? i mean you set off the lynch. i would think you might be gloating. since so many other folks followed your delsusion. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/580 "2011-01-20T23:35:41Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > and this is not strategy but merely fact statement. > > why would you feel this way? i mean you set off the lynch. i would think you might be gloating. since so many other folks followed your delsusion. Well, if he came in and said “YES! My plan worked to perfection!!!”, that might raise an eyebrow or two, don’cha think? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=30)