# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/681 "2011-01-25T23:56:52Z")
I meant to rephrase #1 to the “killing role pool, regardless of alignment”. Suffice it to say that Chronos appears to be much more comfortable drawing some conclusions that I’m not comfortable drawing just yet. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/682 "2011-01-26T00:00:05Z")
Conclusions was a strong word. Strong suggestions and hypothetical weight, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@Red\_Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/683 "2011-01-26T02:48:01Z")
After thinking about it more, i’m cooling on the pleo lynch. His position on self preservation is indefensible in most circumstances, but that won’t stop him from trying. And I don’t really see him trying to weasel away from it, despite how much i disagree with it. **unvote Pleonast** On the other hand MentalGuy’s recent vote of Chipacabra reads false to me. > [@](#): > > I do think the group that voted for Suburban for his supposed PIS is likely to have at least one scum in it, and I think that Pleo could have been trying to start an easy wagon on Suburban. I want to go back and look at Chipicabra, but likely Pleo or Chipicabra will get my vote. > [@](#): > > After reviewing it, I think I like the other players’ arguments regarding Chipicabra a bit better than my own arguments against Pleo. > > I don’t really have a problem with a lynch of Pleo, but I am going to > > Vote Chipicabra His vote for Chipacabra is as noncommital as a vote can come. He hasn’t given any of his own reasoning. And despite the fact that he’s denied it, his earlier sentence definitely implied that Chipacabra voted for suburban. I think it’s awfully convenient that he decided to limit his decision to two candidates (while still in the middle of the day), and chose the one that seems like the least suspicious vote (not the leading bandwagon, turning up the heat with a me too vote). It feels to me like he’s trying to slip this vote under the radar. There is also his answer to the question I posed about his statements about PIS and Suburban. What I feel is noticible here is a default assumption that Suburban is town, and that scum would jump on a town PIS. He’s failed to consider that Suburban might be scum, why that oversight? Plus he smudged me. (This last one is half-joking). **vote MentalGuy** ---
**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/684 "2011-01-26T03:40:32Z")
> [@Red\_Skeezix](#): > > On the other hand MentalGuy’s recent vote of Chipacabra reads false to me. > His vote for Chipacabra is as noncommital as a vote can come. He hasn’t given any of his own reasoning. And despite the fact that he’s denied it, his earlier sentence definitely implied that Chipacabra voted for suburban. I think it’s awfully convenient that he decided to limit his decision to two candidates (while still in the middle of the day), and chose the one that seems like the least suspicious vote (not the leading bandwagon, turning up the heat with a me too vote). It feels to me like he’s trying to slip this vote under the radar. You are right that I should have stated more clearly that the reason I am voting for Chipicabra is that he seemed to be floating an idea to see if it would fly and then voting when it looked safe. I don’t really have any of my own reasoning to add to what Suburban and Cookies said. I felt they made a good case and thought it was at least as good as, if not better than mine. My sentence implying Chipacabra voted for Suburban is just me sucking at this game. I did not intend to imply that and it would be stupid of me to try to imply that since that is something that a moments look at the evidence would make clear is not the case. I can’t really fault you for the other stuff you said, but saying I intentionally implied that Chipacabra voted for Suburban raises my suspicion of you. > [@](#): > > There is also his answer to the question I posed about his statements about PIS and Suburban. What I feel is noticible here is a default assumption that Suburban is town, and that scum would jump on a town PIS. He’s failed to consider that Suburban might be scum, why that oversight? > > Plus he smudged me. (This last one is half-joking). > > **vote MentalGuy** Yes, it does carry an implicit assumption that Suburban is Town and that is something I could definitely be wrong about, but he has not done anything to make me suspect he is scum and the one reason that others say they suspected him of being scum was something that I did not buy into. I haven’t failed to consider the possibility that Suburban may be scum, but I do find it less likely than some other players, including yourself, are scum. ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/685 "2011-01-26T13:40:23Z")
\*\*Vote Count: Ushimi(3): Chronos, Wolverine, Chipacabra Pleonast(4): Thesearemypants, Idle, Oneandonly, Meeko Chipacabra(3): Suburban, Cometothedarkside, Mentalguy Wolverine(1): Astral Idle(1): Pleonast MentalGuy (1): Red Skeezix\*\* Day ends in 30 hours and 20 minutes, if I’m counting right. Which I’m probably not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/686 "2011-01-26T14:58:40Z")
The loudspeaker gave its now familiar crackle. There was a loud yawn. “Well, that was fun. Good game. Ended a bit quick, but still. I guess its time to get another planet’s heroes together. Seriously, though? Castiel? Who is he? Wait. The game is on-going? Wow.” There was a screech while the volume was apparently turned up. “Wake up, zeroes! We’re totally killing one of you at the end of the Day! Do something interesting! I’m not sitting here with a bunch of dead bodies for my heath. Uh, I shouldn’t have said the part about the bodies. Anyway, get busy!” 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/687 "2011-01-26T15:47:06Z")
Best moderator prod ever. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/688 "2011-01-26T17:56:05Z")
Apparently \*\*\*someone \*\*\*thinks we aren’t being talkative enough to suit his fancy. Well, since he’s the one holding the keys to this place, I suppose I can indulge him a bit… I’ve been looking back at \*\*Pleonast’s \*\*posts, and it seems to me that he’s doing a lot of fishing. Well, not really ‘fishing’ so much as ‘throwing a net out and asking the fish if they’d please jump in it’. Post 238 (heavily snipped) > [@Pleonast](#): > > If the game is not breakable, then it’s okay to do a mass claim. Because we will not break the game. > > … > > Breaking game means that one side gains an insurmountable advantage. If the game is well-designed, then a mass claim will not give either side a huge advantage. But it may give one side or the other a slight advantage. And which way it goes will depend on how well it’s played out, because of the skill or lack of skill of the players. > > … > > Unbreakable means no side gains an huge advantage, not that no one gains anything. Post 240 > [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > the Mod has told us that the game can’t be broken. Assuming he is correct, then a mass claim isn’t going to give us a great deal of \*useful \*information. > > There’s your problem. The first statement does not imply the second. An unbreakable game means we won’t get game-breaking information. Useful information does not have to be game-breaking. Post 256 > [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > GREAT! We’ve got useful information. Now let’s use it… > > > > oh, wait, we can’t. At least not yet. But maybe Scum can, eh? > > > > This information might be useful at some point after we have other information from death reveals, Night Actions, etc. > > > > Of course, by then, we’d have the information from Night Actions and death reveals… > > Does this mean you’re claiming to have no powers? Post 261 > [@Pleonast](#): > > One can make use of information without trusting it is 100% accurate. Post 355 > [@Pleonast](#): > > > [@special\_ed](#): > > > > > [@Pleonast](#): > > > > > > 1. The town needs to choose a lynch target right now; this information could be used. > > > 2. Any townie with a Day power needs to choose a target right now; this information could be used. > > > 3. Any townie with a Night power will need to choose approximately now (since claims are verboten at Night); this information could be used. > > > 4. This information constrains any further claims **ushi** may make right now. > > > 5. If **ushi** is lying, this information risks implicating them right now. > > > > So, then are you advocating that all of the Vanilla Town players claim right now? > > Rather, I’d advocate that all town players claim right now. > > So you recognize that claims can have useful information right now? > > > [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > > > The problem with items 1,2,3, and 5 is that we have no way of evaluating \*\*ushi’s \*\*claim right now, and without knowing whether or not it’s truthful it’s of no use to Town in determining how to vote or how to target. > > I believe we have power roles who can evaluate claims. > > And I’ll state again that one does not to be 100% certain of information to make use of it. Mafia is a game of making choices based on weighing missing, partial and uncertain knowledge. He starts off by making it clear that there’s a distinction between ‘game-breaking information’ and ‘information that might give one side an advantage’. That’s fine, although he leaves out the part where he explains that it’s going to give _Town_ an advantage, specifially. Then he comes right out and tries to pull a claim out of **Ed**. He stresses the point that it’s OK for town to divulge information, because we can use it even if we don’t know if it’s accurate. He ignores the fact that the Scum already have a head start on determining ‘accuracy of information’ because they already know who’s flat-out lying about being Town. He believes “we have power roles who can evaluate claims”. Well, of course we do. We also have Scum that can evaluate claims, and they’re already one step ahead. While our Town Powers are still trying to figure out “who’s Town and who’s not?”, the Scum can skip that step and move right on to “who’s Vanilla and who’s not?” And this line really bugs me. “Rather, I’d advocate that all town players claim right now.” That would be grand, wouldn’t it. All of the Town players can claim, and then we’ll know exactly who to lynch simply by running through the list of people who didn’t claim. Brilliant! Obviously I don’t think \*\*Pleonast \*\*was actually suggesting that Town, and only Town, should claim. But that is in fact what he said. And it’s such a strange thing to say that it makes me wonder what he really \*meant \*to say, and what his actual \*intent \*was behind it. It wouldn’t have been that hard to simply say “I’d advocate that all players claim right now.” That’s simply calling for a mass claim…nothing new there. It makes me wonder if his mind wasn’t focused specifically on the Town players for some reason. I’m still happy with my vote on **Chipacabra** , but I’m quite suspicious of \*\*Pleonast \*\*as well. Yes, his statements are consistent with his general viewpoint on the game (“claims are good because they give us information that we can use”). And it has been pointed out that this is what \*\*Pleonast \*\*generally believes, so the fact that he is saying it doesn’t make him Scum. But it’s also true that just because he generally believes it doesn’t mean that he’s _not_ Scum in this game anyway. It seems to me that he’s trying ‘too hard’ to get information out of people,and that seems Scummy to me. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/689 "2011-01-26T18:10:09Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > According to your own hypothetical, his death would only give us the best information if he’s scum. Which, I note, you don’t believe he is. I’ve been busy and haven’t been back in awhile to respond to this. My gut tells me he is innocent and is making rookie mistakes, but my head is showing me signs of scum based on his activity on Day 1 and the rash of votes for Oredigger (admittedly of which I was a part of). I can explain my gut reaction based on my own experiences and sympathies from International Mafia, but I can’t explain the circumstances. Why am I voting for Ushi over Pleo? It has to do with order. Once we know for certain Ushi’s alignment, we can better know the _ **group** _ of votes for either. Pleo looks guilty either way but if lynched today is not able to provide any further information about the voting tendencies of others. Even if Pleo is lynched and is scum, we still don’t know about the groups because we don’t yet know Ushi’s alignment. As for your first point, knowing for certain Ushi’s alignment would be beneficial both ways. If he’s scum, we would assume his scum allies are trying to save him and focus on the Oredigger voting group. This in turn gives a free “Town” pass to those voting against him. If he’s not scum, then scum have no stake in the fight and would be equally spread out amongst everybody. While this result doesn’t narrow the field, it also doesn’t give free passes to several people that could be scum. Sure the first result would be the best, but the other result is still much greater than zero. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/690 "2011-01-26T18:52:48Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > As for your first point, knowing for certain Ushi’s alignment would be beneficial both ways. If he’s scum, we would assume his scum allies are trying to save him and focus on the Oredigger voting group. This in turn gives a free “Town” pass to those voting against him. If he’s not scum, then scum have no stake in the fight and would be equally spread out amongst everybody. While this result doesn’t narrow the field, it also doesn’t give free passes to several people that could be scum. Sure the first result would be the best, but the other result is still much greater than zero. I still don’t understand how knowing \*\*ushi’s \*\*alignment is suddenly going to give us all this extra information. If he’s Scum, then that means we need to look at the late votes on **Oredigger**. Since all of the votes on \*\*Oredigger \*\*were late, than that there must be Scum among \*\*storyteller, Wolverine, Astral, Ben, pants, Pleonast, \*\*and **MentalGuy**. That’s almost half of the remaining players (7 out of what will then be 15 living players). How many of these people are supposed to be Scum, according to this theory? Remember, if you pick half of the players _at random_, you’re going to find half of the Scum among them… And if \*\*ushi \*\*is Town, then that means there wasn’t a ‘mad rush’ to lynch **Oredigger**. Why not? The Scum would have already known \*\*ushi \*\*was Town, so if a couple votes got thrown on **Oredigger** , why not jump on that bandwagon and run that vote count up as well? That way the Town is given two choices, both of them wrong. Killing \*\*ushi \*\*will definitely tell us one thing: it will tell us \*\*ushi’s \*\*alignment. But I fail to see how it’s going to help us figure out anything else. If you think \*\*ushi \*\*is Scum, then by all means vote for him. But if you’re voting for him because “his death will give us more information”, that’s a bad vote in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/691 "2011-01-26T23:13:57Z")
Trying to consolidate some information that is either useful or worthless. In order of post volume in the game thread, including number of posts, death flips, claims, and current vote: \*\*[del]peekercpa (69) - Vanilla Town killed Night 1 \*\*[/del] Meeko (67) - Currently voting for Pleonast Suburban Plankton (52) - Currently voting for Chipacabra TheseAreMyOwnPants (47) - Currently voting for Pleonast ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (37) - Currently voting for Chipacabra Idle Thoughts (36) - Claimed Vanilla Town - Currently voting for Pleonast Chronos (35) - Currently voting for ushimitsudoki Scuba Ben (31 + 51 posts from the Ed incarnation) - Not currently voting ushimitsudoki (29) - Claimed Vanilla Town - Not currently voting Astral Rejection (28) - Currently voting for Wolverine Pleonast (27) - Currently voting for Idle Thoughts storyteller0910 (22) - Not currently voting MentalGuy (17) - Currently voting for Chipacabra Wolverine (17) - Currently voting for ushimitsudoki \*\*[del]Oredigger77 (16) - Vanilla Town lynched Day 1 \*\*[/del] Chipacabra (15) - Currently voting for ushimitsudoki Red Skeezix (13) - Currently voting for Pleonast One And Only Wanderers (12) Currently voting for Pleonast I feel like my personal participation has been on the low side so far, and I’ve had a few chains of NETA’s, so that’s just another point of evidence that this is a damn quiet game so far. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/692 "2011-01-26T23:47:46Z")
> [@Wolverine](#): > > Why am I voting for Ushi over Pleo? It has to do with order. Once we know for certain Ushi’s alignment, we can better know the _ **group** _ of votes for either. Pleo looks guilty either way but if lynched today is not able to provide any further information about the voting tendencies of others. Even if Pleo is lynched and is scum, we still don’t know about the groups because we don’t yet know Ushi’s alignment. You’re on record as saying you believe Ushi is an inexperienced player and you’ve suggested that you believe he’s most likely innocent. In this post, you say that Pleo looks guilty either way. To paraphrase: Ushi is town, Pleo is scum. _ **And you’re voting for Ushi.** _ Do you not see the vast chasm between your vote and what helps town? Who cares if Pleo’s lynch doesn’t give us an optimum amount of information? If you believe he’s scum, **there’s no excuse for not voting for him.** What if he’s a scum roleblocker? What if he’s a scum investigator? What if he’s the scum godfather? Wouldn’t _the soonest possible lynch_ be the optimum time to kill someone you believe to be scum? Your logic is maddeningly surreal. > [@](#): > > As for your first point, knowing for certain Ushi’s alignment would be beneficial both ways. If he’s scum, we would assume his scum allies are trying to save him and focus on the Oredigger voting group. This in turn gives a free “Town” pass to those voting against him. If he’s not scum, then scum have no stake in the fight and would be equally spread out amongst everybody. While this result doesn’t narrow the field, it also doesn’t give free passes to several people that could be scum. Sure the first result would be the best, but the other result is still much greater than zero. Jesus christ, a free town pass? Why? Do you think the scum vote in neat blocs? And what possible benefit do you see in concluding “whelp, the scum votes musta been equally spread out amongst everybody.” You even admit that _this does nothing to narrow the field._ As far as I can tell, you were the only person willing to give free passes to several people who could be scum anyway. I am so incredibly happy with where my vote is right now. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/693 "2011-01-26T23:49:48Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Remember, if you pick half of the players _at random_, you’re going to find half of the Scum among them… This is not how statistics work. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/694 "2011-01-27T00:21:00Z")
I apologize for the lack of posting, this week is slamming me hard at work. I am happy with where my vote is. Also, so that my lynching is not a complete debacle: [QUOTE=Mahaloth] You entered the dreams of Cometothedarksidewehavecookies. Cookies was overwhelmed by your presence and bowed. In the dream, you asked, “Who are you? To whom do you belong?” “I’m….. **Richard B. Riddick from Pitch Black.** Who do I belong to? Currently, I don’t belong to anyone, not the EIUGC nor the NDCE. I haven’t aligned to either yet, but I think I will in the future….I’m a killer, too, you should know. I will probably kill once at some point in our stay at this Hotel.” You left Cookies dream at this point. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/695 "2011-01-27T00:25:00Z")
Cookies, care to confirm or deny? Should you confirm this, what are the conditions for joining either side? ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/696 "2011-01-27T00:26:48Z")
Second thought: Pleo, _who are you?_ This seems like a Freddy Krueger type character. Being overwhelmed by your presence, bowing to you… seems sinister. I’d like a full claim from you, after you’ve dropped this info on us. ---
**Author:** ![Chipacabra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@Chipacabra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chipacabra)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/697 "2011-01-27T00:52:11Z")
Wow, that’s an interesting claim. I want to hear cookie’s response. Assuming Pleo is telling the truth, this part sticks out at me: > [@](#): > > I’m a killer, too, you should know. It sounds to me like dreamcookie’s message is implying that pleo is also a killer. Yeah, I definitely want more information on this bombshell. A response from cookies, a full claim from pleo. Meanwhile, stuff has happened. For now, **unvote ushi** ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/698 "2011-01-27T00:57:32Z")
Well that’s some shitty luck to go with my really weird role. Whatever Pleo is and whoever he’s playing for, he is correct about my name, my role, and my current status as a free agent. What his information doesn’t cover is that my kill is a Night kill and that I don’t know when or under what conditions I’m even allowed to choose sides, should I survive long enough to do so, which I kinda doubt at this point. I assume I won’t win with anyone if I’m killed before I choose sides, which leads us back to the sucky part. At this point it seems that the only thing I can really do is a) be transparent b) try to negotiate with the Town and offer to make a kill on their behalf tonight c) hope my kill goes through and hits a scum/third party and/or that it attracks any scum blocker so that the Town power roles can act unhindered d) all while hoping that I’ll actually be able to become a Townie before I die in order to be able to share in a win. To that end, I’d be happy to go after whoever the lynch runner-up is tonight, or whatever the consensus is if other than that. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/699 "2011-01-27T01:03:16Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > This is not how statistics work. 🙂 Technically you’re correct. If we repeat the process enough times, it’s going to work out as I said…but obviously it’s not necessarily going to be the case with every individual sampling. Do you disagree with my general point, or only my math? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/700 "2011-01-27T01:13:06Z")
> [@Chipacabra](#): > > Wow, that’s an interesting claim. I want to hear cookie’s response. > > Assuming Pleo is telling the truth, this part sticks out at me: > > > [@](#): > > > > I’m a killer, too, you should know. > > It sounds to me like dreamcookie’s message is implying that pleo is also a killer. > > Yeah, I definitely want more information on this bombshell. A response from cookies, a full claim from pleo. > > Meanwhile, stuff has happened. For now, **unvote ushi** I don’t interpret that phrase as indicating \*\*Pleonast \*\*is a killer. Quoting a bit more of the information: > [@](#): > > Who do I belong to? Currently, I don’t belong to anyone, not the EIUGC nor the NDCE. I haven’t aligned to either yet, but I think I will in the future….I’m a killer, too, you should know. I will probably kill once at some point in our stay at this Hotel. To me, it’s saying that \*\*Cookies \*\*is currently unaligned, and is a killer, too. The “too” is meant to associate her killing power and her alignment (or lack thereof), not to associate her killing power with **Pleonast’s**. I don’t think we can take anything regarding \*\*Pleonast’s \*\*alignment from his reveal. We do need to decide whether or not \*\*Cookies \*\*can be allowed to survive the Day, however. I need to think a bit on that before giving my opinion. I will join the chorus asking for a full claim from \*\*Pleonast \*\*at this point. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544.md?page=36)