# Hotel of Heroes mafia **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [January 14, 2011, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544 "2011-01-14T01:30:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 67
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1321 "2011-02-16T08:59:43Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > I just don’t know. I’ve read off and on all day, and nothing is jumping out at me. I’ve been so confident in the past, and I was wrong on three out of five cases, with one still undecided. My only success has been Scuba\_Ben, and really, I was bound to eventually get one right. > > One thing I’ve picked up on during my reread has been a certain degree of defensiveness from Suburban Plankton on the subject of (now known) scum. It’s subtle, and nothing I can really directly point to. But I noticed, time and again, little jabs or questions at the motivations or cases of people taking a good look at (now known) scum. He doesn’t really do the same thing when people make cases against folks we now know are town. > > I have my misgivings about Chronos. Some of what he’s said has rubbed me the wrong way. But there’s nothing to directly point at, nothing I can really sink my teeth into. So he’s not gonna be my vote. > > Wolverine, I was very critical of earlier in the game. He’s the undecided case I was talking about above. He’s hit me as pretty townie since, so I’m not feeling a vote on him right now. > > What’s really killing me right now is that I find SP’s case on Chronos to be pretty compelling. But I also find Wolverine’s cases on SP to be pretty good. > > So I just don’t know right now. > > **Vote Suburban Plankton.** > > I’m gonna sleep on this, and revisit my vote tomorrow. I’d encourage you to do so, because as it stands right now, it’s Game Over. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1322 "2011-02-16T15:02:34Z")
One thing that has me very close to switching is the fact that Chronos has smudged me, repeatedly, every time he shows his program’s results, and has claimed that I’m most likely to be scum, and then never looked at me, ever. I don’t think, of the top of my head, he’s ever even approached building a case against me. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1323 "2011-02-16T16:58:46Z")
Well, at this point, it’s kind of hard to avoid smudging. There are three people left in the game whose alignment I don’t know, and two of them are Scum. So, yeah, I think you’re more likely than not to be Scum. But I think **Suburban** is even more likely, so that’s where my vote is for now. I really did mean to take a closer look at you after the first time I posted my program, but I just never got the time. Maybe if I had, I would have found something to motivate a vote, or maybe I would have become more satisfied with you. I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Wolverine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ba9def/32.png) [@Wolverine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolverine)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1324 "2011-02-16T17:17:44Z")
I know this won’t be as much fun, but I need to go to bed and won’t be awake until after Night falls. This will be my last post before then so whatever happens I want to make sure I get my opinion of the second scum out there. If I die toDay, then game over. If we do the right thing and lynch Suburban Plankton, I could still die during the Night. Overall, I’ve thought Chronos has made a lot of good contributions and appeared Town and have had a hard time finding any dirt on him or Astral. However, his play has been suspicious to me yesterDay and toDay. Yesterday, Chronos was waiting for the case on Idle Thoughts to build steam before waiting to vote. Chronos waited until after Astral wrote his WoW to commit his own vote. At that point Chronos would have the confidence that a townie Astral wouldn’t switch. Idle would win (or is it lose) on a tiebreaker and Astral could get heat because of the WoW. So Chronos came in with a weak vote about Idle being lazy compared to other games. That was his voting argument. I haven’t seen Idle in other games, so I can’t really make a comparison, but I thought Idle was being pretty active. His Cookies vote was not “safe” because several people had already argued she should be saved for last (including me). If anyone was playing safe, it was Chronos. As for Today, he immediately (is 4 hours immediately?) piggy-backed on my vote for Suburban Plankton with no argument of his own except for his computer program. While I appreciate the vote, I interpret this as having two possible scummy motives. One, if it looks like he’s my buddy, then maybe we’re scum and Suburban Plankton goes free and then we lose. Two, if we do successfully lynch Suburban Plankton, then he can claim to be Town tomorrow and hopefully get a scum win. I’m sure there’s a possible scum narrative for Astral, but I’m not seeing it. Or at least it’s not as apparent to me as Chronos is. By making the third vote for Suburban, Astral guarantees there won’t be any ties. I could be wrong, but my instincts are telling me Chronos is scum number 2. And I’ve been wanting to do this for awhile. Mahaloth isn’t the only one that can post videos. Here is [the “real” fun song](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSgM5BOtecc&feature=related) according to the villain Plankton. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1325 "2011-02-16T17:24:33Z")
> [@Astral\_Rejection](#): > > One thing that has me very close to switching is the fact that Chronos has smudged me, repeatedly, every time he shows his program’s results, and has claimed that I’m most likely to be scum, and then never looked at me, ever. I don’t think, of the top of my head, he’s ever even approached building a case against me. Hey, if you want to switch your vote to **Chronos** , I’ll join you. But either \*\*Cookies \*\*or \*\*Wolverine \*\*needs to join in or it won’t make a difference anyway. Consider this. Starting this Day, the Scum needed _two votes plus the tie-breaker_ to guarantee a win. I threw suspicion on \*\*Chronos \*\*and **Wolverine** , and said I’d be back later. \*\*Astral \*\*said he’d check everyone out and be back later \*\*Cookies \*\*threw suspicion on \*\*Wolverine \*\*and **me** , and said she’d be back later. The next two posts by players were votes on me. That made\* two votes, plus the tiebreaker\*. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1326 "2011-02-16T17:48:04Z")
**Unvote Suburban Plankton** I really, really hope I’m not making the wrong choice. I’ve been suspicious of Wolverine in the past, and I’m suspicious of you now, so I hesitate to do this, but Chronos is starting to make a lot more sense in my mind. I want to hear from Cookies before making my final decision. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1327 "2011-02-16T17:49:07Z")
**Unvote SP** Let’s try this again. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1328 "2011-02-16T18:52:23Z")
> [@](#): > > Consider this. Starting this Day, the Scum needed two votes plus the tie-breaker to guarantee a win. We have five players, not four. Two votes plus the tiebreaker wouldn’t win versus three votes. **Astral** , if I’m making more sense, why does that motivate unvoting the person I’m arguing for? And this will probably be the last post I make toDay. The end of Day falls while I’ll be in lab, and I’ll probably be grading until then. So I really hope that **Suburban** is Scum, because I won’t be able to change my vote now. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1329 "2011-02-16T19:42:24Z")
I meant voting for you is making more sense in my mind. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1330 "2011-02-16T19:43:59Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > We have five players, not four. Two votes plus the tiebreaker wouldn’t win versus three votes. > > **Astral** , if I’m making more sense, why does that motivate unvoting the person I’m arguing for? > > And this will probably be the last post I make toDay. The end of Day falls while I’ll be in lab, and I’ll probably be grading until then. So I really hope that **Suburban** is Scum, because I won’t be able to change my vote now. Yes, two votes will not win against three votes. But the two votes on me will win against any two other votes. Which is why I said to \*\*Astral \*\*a couple posts ago that if he and I voted for you, we would still need one other player to join us. When \*\*you \*\*and \*\*Wolverine \*\*voted for me, that guaranteed my lunch unless **Astral** , **Cookies** , and \*\*I \*\*are unanimous in our choice. Assuming of course that neither of you change your vote. And since you have now both said you will most likely not be back before the end of the Day, that’s where we sit. With \*\*Astral’s \*\*last comment, it seems that things might be up to \*\*Cookies \*\*at this point, which seems somehow oddly fitting… ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1331 "2011-02-16T21:53:50Z")
I’m about to go off into what is scheduled to be two hours of meetings, which will take me past Day end. So it looks like unless \*\*Cookies \*\*comes in with a vote on \*\*Chronos \*\*or **Wolverine** , and \*\*Astral \*\*votes with her, and I change my vote if necessary to match them, and this all happens in the next 10 minutes, this game is probably over. I \*may \*have 5 minutes between meetings to check back in… If not, I’ll see ya on the other side… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1332 "2011-02-16T22:57:47Z")
I’ll **vote Chronos.** I hope I’m right. ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1333 "2011-02-16T23:01:04Z")
NETA: Wait. If I’m betting on SP and Cookies being town, that means Wolverine and Chronos have to be scum. If SP can’t change his vote in time, they’d win. **Unvote Chronos.** **Vote Wolverine.** Your call, Cookies. SP or Wolverine? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1334 "2011-02-16T23:07:01Z")
Been workgin allllll day. **May be slight delay in end of Day color, but it will come. Day ends at 6:45 PM Eastern(about 40 minutes from now.** Basically, be quiet starting at 6:45. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1335 "2011-02-16T23:18:38Z")
So, um. Can I proxy vote for Cookies? I’m 100% sure she’d vote for Wolverine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1336 "2011-02-16T23:21:36Z")
Cookies, if you come back soon enough, I’m positive you need to vote for Wolverine. Chronos and Wolverine voted early and together against SP. I think it’s obvious now that they’re working together. They haven’t made any other cases - they don’t need to. They only needed to convince one of us townies to join them. So, hurry back and vote! I’d hate to lose this because you couldn’t make it back in time. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1337 "2011-02-16T23:26:10Z")
Sorry. I’m here after a busy couple of days. Reading… ---
**Author:** ![Astral\_Rejection](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/258eb7/32.png) [@Astral\_Rejection](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Astral_Rejection)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1338 "2011-02-16T23:27:32Z")
You have about 15 minutes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1339 "2011-02-16T23:36:15Z")
This is so not how I wanted this to go down, but I just could not find time to do a full-on epic re-read of everyone assuming they’re scum. **Wolverine** It is a gut check and I’ve been wrong so often with my earlier suspicions (Suburban would fall into that category) that I’m tempted to zig where I have zagged previously. And I just get a vague feeling that Wolverine’s summary of the case against Idle just seemed off. _wince_ ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/hotel-of-heroes-mafia/567544/1340 "2011-02-16T23:37:54Z")
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