# House 5/23 - Many open spoilers! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2006, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969 "2006-05-23T22:36:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/61 "2006-05-24T21:12:26Z")
I suspected he might have been hallucinating during his conversations with Moriarty. The guy knew too much about how House’s mind worked, and knew just what to say to freak him out. ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/62 "2006-05-24T21:37:02Z")
Re: House not getting the leg chopped off. He doesn’t want to. In a first season episode, “Three Stories”, we see the incident that resulted in his condition, and he was ADAMENT about keeping his leg. He preferred the possibility of chronic pain to not having a leg. And his (then) wife actually almsot had it amputated during surgery because House had to be put into an artificial coma for a few days before because the pain was so bad, and that alloed her to be in charge of his medical decisions. (His wife, BTW, was the third of the hot brunettes that House has the hots for (I’m assuming Cuddy counts. I mean, c’mon, you’re telling me there [iisn’t\* sexual tension betwen them?)) ---
**Author:** ![Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bc8723/32.png) [@Unauthorized\_Cinnamon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unauthorized_Cinnamon)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/63 "2006-05-24T22:21:13Z")
> [@ronincyberpunk](#): > > But the shooter wasn’t a hallucination, that’s what wigs me out. He really got shot. His hallucinations began after that, so we don’t really know why he got shot. And we have to wait until next season to find out! Argh! Oh yeah, I meant the conversations with the shooter after the actual shooting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/64 "2006-05-24T23:26:05Z")
> [@AerynSun](#): > > Oh yeah, I meant the conversations with the shooter after the actual shooting. Everything in the episode is absolutely a hallucination after House gets shot. Remember, when he wakes up, they’re rushing him to ER to deal with his wounds from being shot. Another interesting thing on the shooter - while he doesn’t know who House is, he knows who Cameron is. Remember that when he came in and asked “Which one of you is Dr. House?”, House responded with “The thin brunette.” And the shooter replied that he _knew_ who Dr. Cameron was - she had been his doctor. So the shooter _doesn’t_ know House, but _does_ know Cameron. But he hates House enough to shoot him. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/65 "2006-05-25T00:10:34Z")
> [@bouv](#): > > And his (then) wife actually almsot had it amputated during surgery because House had to be put into an artificial coma for a few days before because the pain was so bad, and that alloed her to be in charge of his medical decisions. (His wife, BTW, was the third of the hot brunettes that House has the hots for (I’m assuming Cuddy counts. I mean, c’mon, you’re telling me there [iisn’t\* sexual tension betwen them?)) Girlfriend. Stacy was his girlfriend; they were never married. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/66 "2006-05-25T00:55:56Z")
> [@h.sapiens](#): > > I thought he said “Tell Cuddy I want ketamine”. I guess we’ll have to wait till next season to find out for sure. I thought he said “not ketamine” not “want ketamine.” I’ll recorded it, maybe I can see if the close caption will work - after the Poseidon Adventure ends. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/67 "2006-05-25T01:36:48Z")
I suspected something was up because House and the shooter were right next to each other in the ICU. While it’s believable that they might have to be in the ICU at the same time, it’s not believable that they’d keep them right next to each other, especially if they were both conscious. Could somebody explain the “Moriarty” thing, please? And what the heck is the problem with the leg, anyway? (I obviously don’t watch the show very much.) ---
**Author:** ![audiobottle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc8723/32.png) [@audiobottle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/audiobottle)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/68 "2006-05-25T01:46:51Z")
Moriarty is the arch-nemesis of Sherlock Holmes. He actually killed Holmes until popular demand brought Holmes back from the dead. The fact that the shooter didn’t know who House was, and then later in the ICU said that he was House’s patient made me think that there was some error in the script. After all, if House had talked to him and found out that the killer was cheating, wouldn’t the killer know who House was? I never put that together with the the idea that it was ALL a hallucination though. I guess that just shows the level of faith I have in TV writers these days. ---
**Author:** ![Cardinal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardinal/32/4000_2.png) [@Cardinal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardinal)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/69 "2006-05-25T02:16:18Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I thought he said “not ketamine” not “want ketamine.” I’ll recorded it, maybe I can see if the close caption will work - after the Poseidon Adventure ends. I watched it by “other means”, and I just replayed it, and he definitely says (with very visible lip movement to confirm it) “Tell Cutty I want Ketamine.” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/70 "2006-05-25T02:20:20Z")
You know, he does love his drugs. Maybe he enjoyed the hallucinations and is hoping for some more. I think he remembers what it was like to not be in pain. If you’ve ever suffered chronic pain, you’d know the temptation. ---
**Author:** ![Poysyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Poysyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Poysyn)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/71 "2006-05-25T03:36:23Z")
> [@Cardinal](#): > > I watched it by “other means”, and I just replayed it, and he definitely says (with very visible lip movement to confirm it) “Tell Cutty I want Ketamine.” I watched it with closed captioning, and he asks for Ketamine ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/72 "2006-05-25T04:38:42Z")
> [@Poysyn](#): > > I watched it with closed captioning, and he asks for Ketamine Well, I used mental telepathy to read Hugh Laurie’s mind, and … oh, I shouldn’t tell. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/73 "2006-05-25T05:39:46Z")
> [@audiobottle](#): > > Moriarty is the arch-nemesis of Sherlock Holmes. He actually killed Holmes until popular demand brought Holmes back from the dead. > The fact that the shooter didn’t know who House was, and then later in the ICU said that he was House’s patient made me think that there was some error in the script. After all, if House had talked to him and found out that the killer was cheating, wouldn’t the killer know who House was? I never put that together with the the idea that it was ALL a hallucination though. I guess that just shows the level of faith I have in TV writers these days. Well, he could have had somebody else talk to the guy. Doesn’t seem too implausible. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/74 "2006-05-25T12:39:45Z")
> [@Talon Karrde](#): > > Well, he could have had somebody else talk to the guy. Doesn’t seem too implausible. Also, keep in mind that he wasn’t the patient, his wife was. But the impression during the hallucination was that House got him to confess to infidelity and then told the wife… although the final conclusion was that the wife had a genetic pre-disposition toward whatever it was that was ailing her. ---
**Author:** ![YWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/6f9a4e/32.png) [@YWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/75 "2006-05-25T12:58:13Z")
> [@John Corrado](#): > > Another interesting thing on the shooter - while he doesn’t know who House is, he knows who Cameron is. Remember that when he came in and asked “Which one of you is Dr. House?”, House responded with “The thin brunette.” And the shooter replied that he _knew_ who Dr. Cameron was - she had been his doctor. > > So the shooter _doesn’t_ know House, but _does_ know Cameron. But he hates House enough to shoot him. It was more common in the first season, but IIRC we’ve seen it sometimes this season as well, House frequently doesn’t even meet the patient. He doesn’t like to talk to patients, because patients just lie. He directs Foreman, Chase, and Cameron to do all the dirty work, like taking histories, interviewing family, breaking and entering, etc… The patients get to hear that Dr. House is directing their care, but frequently don’t get to meet him. Of course the guy would know Cameron. She would be the one doing all the lab work that would normally be done by lab people, the medical treatments that would normally be done by doctors with a different specialty, etc. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/76 "2006-05-25T13:22:30Z")
> [@simster](#): > > Also, keep in mind that he wasn’t the patient, his wife was. > > But the impression during the hallucination was that House got him to confess to infidelity and then told the wife… although the final conclusion was that the wife had a genetic pre-disposition toward whatever it was that was ailing her. I don’t think you can take ANYTHING from House’s hallucination as fact. House didn’t seem to recognize the shooter, the shooter didn’t recognize him, House got shot. That’s all we know for sure happened in the real world. The whole story of the shooter’s wife, illness, infidelity, reveal, suicide was told entirely within the hallucination. For all we know, the shooter is a hitman hired by Vogler as retaliation. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/77 "2006-05-25T13:44:40Z")
> [@ronincyberpunk](#): > > I knew something was up with he began seducing Cameron with the robot. However hot robot driven sex may be, it’s a little creepy. House: Have you seen enough? Tongue guy: No. 😉 > [@StGermain](#): > > I think it will be more interesting to see if they try the ketamine and next season find out it hasn’t worked. Hugh Laurie may be tired of limping, but the cane and pill-popping are so much a part of the character of House that I can’t see them doing away with it completely. And to have him live with the disappointment of it not working would be more interesting than having it work. That would be interesting. The article I mentioned above says that the procedure worked for one girl until she bumped the affected knee and the pain came back. A brief period of relief and then relapse would really rachet things up. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/78 "2006-05-25T13:59:41Z")
I discovered “House” a month ago, and I am so pissed I didn’t watch it from the Beginning. This is one fine show! I’m glad the ad that was aired said reruns would be showing back-to-back this summer. The halluciniation was a lovely glimpse into the workings of House’s mind, and Hugh Laurie carried it off perfectly, allowing for a complete suspension of disbelief. Minor idea: I can see Dr. Spencer Reid of "Criminal Minds: getting wounded in the leg on some case and becoming Dr. House. ---
**Author:** ![jali](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ecae2f/32.png) [@jali](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jali)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/79 "2006-05-25T14:01:05Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > Well, I used mental telepathy to read Hugh Laurie’s mind, and … oh, I shouldn’t tell. DO NOT READ MY BOYFRIEND’S MIND! ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2006, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969/80 "2006-05-25T14:46:27Z")
**Why we all get a kick out of the shooter being named Moriarty** House is based on Sherlock Holmes. There are numerous parallels through the show. First the names are similar, House / Holmes. Their apartment numbers are the same. They both have drug problems. And they both can deduce solutions from seemingly useless pieces of fact. So for such a blatant character crossover, is pretty cool. Moriarty was the only person who could think on the level of House, he could outwit him or at least put up a fair fight. And as was mentioned above, Moriarty and Holmes were both originally killed in an epic struggle until the public outcry could not be ignored and Sir Conan Doyle brought Sherlock back from the dead explaining how he survived. Here, House gets shot by Moriarty, gets locked in a mental battle (with himself) and eventually figures out that it’s all a hallucination, thus coming back from the “dead.” So yeah, that’s it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-5-23-many-open-spoilers/357969.md?page=5)