# "House of Horror"- some people need to be hit with an ax **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2008, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281 "2008-04-28T22:20:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/61 "2008-04-30T08:50:54Z")
[QUOTE=Frylock] Yeah but you were saying he’s second only to Hitler or the guy in the OP. Why’s that? -FrL- [/QUOTE] The OP implied that the Governator was a pretty nasty fellow, and I find it a bit hard to believe that the Governator could be anywhere as bad as someone who willingly put on a Nazi uniform. Unless, of course, you happen to think that being a member of the Republican party is the same as being in the Nazi party (quite clearly, it isn’t, even if _some_ members of the GOP seem intent upon aping certain aspects of the Nazis). ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/62 "2008-04-30T12:41:14Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] The OP implied that the Governator was a pretty nasty fellow, [/QUOTE] Is it that hard to spot a tongue-in-cheek remark? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/63 "2008-04-30T13:34:07Z")
[QUOTE=Tuckerfan] The OP implied that the Governator was a pretty nasty fellow [/QUOTE] Actually, that was me. See, this is why we need transparent cheeks. “Intelligent Design,” my ass. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/64 "2008-04-30T13:36:38Z")
[QUOTE=Maastricht] Apart from seeing daylight, and occasionally going somewhere, and okay, the whole incest thing, the situation for millions of women in fundamentalistic Islamic countries isn’t that different. And they don’t have TV’s. Not to make light of this Austrian horror, on the contrary. I’m using the parallel to point out how awful the Islamic oppression of women is. [/QUOTE] Actually, an SDMB poster living in Saudi Arabia, Paul in Saudi, has said that he has heard from doctors that incest is quite common in Saudi Arabia. Since the women are kept cloistered and can only see males who are their relatives, the inevitable happens. It happens a lot. I don’t know to what extent it is consensual, though, if consensual is a term that means anything in that culture. So your point is even more powerful, in some instances. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/65 "2008-04-30T14:02:47Z")
A little off topic, but am I the only one who saw the picture of the douchebag and immdeiate had the scene: “David, you shit in the bath? :: thwack! :: You do not shit in the bath!” pop into his head? …So, I’m the only one then. (The movie isn’t _that_ old.) ---
**Author:** ![Martha\_Medea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@Martha\_Medea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martha_Medea)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/66 "2008-04-30T14:23:38Z")
[QUOTE=Swallowed My Cellphone] A little off topic, but am I the only one who saw the picture of the douchebag and immdeiate had the scene: “David, you shit in the bath? :: thwack! :: You do not shit in the bath!” pop into his head? …So, I’m the only one then. (The movie isn’t _that_ old.) [/QUOTE] _Shine?_ Yes, now that you mention it. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/67 "2008-04-30T15:11:28Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] > [@](#): > > “Yes I did have sex with her, but I haven’t for many months now.” [/QUOTE] Ran out of Viagra? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/68 "2008-04-30T15:14:14Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Every time I hear a story like this, I think - somewhere, someone is still in that situation. How long till they are found? [/QUOTE] Yes. Me, too. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/69 "2008-04-30T16:28:52Z")
[QUOTE=Maastricht] Apart from seeing daylight, and occasionally going somewhere, and okay, the whole incest thing, the situation for millions of women in fundamentalistic Islamic countries isn’t that different. And they don’t have TV’s. [/QUOTE] I live among some Islamic families that have pretty strict ideas of gender roles (and note that Islamic practices vary widely), but it is nowhere near the same thing. Women are respected, although that respect is often limited to their role as homemakers and mothers. They have the comfort of their family and generally spend a lot of time with their aunts/sisters/parents/female friends. Indeed, they are rarely alone. They generally have the (not great) option to return to their family home if the marriage is truly unbearable They celebrate holidays, buy fashionable clothes, follow soap operas, dream about their children’s future, attend weddings and funurals, read books and generally do the things that people do the world over. Think of it as a mix of 1950s housewives and teenage girls with REALLY strict fathers. Maybe not the fullest, richest life possible (though they take one look at me with no child and say the same thing) but it’s not the same as being locked in a soundproof prison and raped by your dad. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/70 "2008-04-30T17:01:39Z")
[QUOTE=even sven] …but it’s not the same as being locked in a soundproof prison and raped by your dad. [/QUOTE] But then, what really is? Some experiences just can’t be duplicated, no sir… 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/71 "2008-04-30T18:41:44Z")
And proving yet again that everything in the world is connected to Thailand in some manner, we now see that this is where Josef Fritzl enjoyed vacationing. Story [here](http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/30/austria.meeting/index.html). ---
**Author:** ![Jennyrosity](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@Jennyrosity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennyrosity)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/72 "2008-04-30T21:28:17Z")
The strength of this poor women is phenomenal, though. To keep on surviving all those years, to raise her children (who she taught to speak and who were apparently in surprisingly good health), though she could hardly be blamed had she hated them, and to never give up and to keep looking for a way out - that is a remarkable woman. _Edited for spelling_ ---
**Author:** ![NinetyWt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/cc9497/32.png) [@NinetyWt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NinetyWt)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/73 "2008-04-30T21:45:01Z")
[QUOTE=Jennyrosity] The strength of this poor women is phenomenal, though. To keep on surviving all those years, to raise her children (who she taught to speak and who were apparently in surprisingly good health), though she could hardly be blamed had she hated them, and to never give up and to keep looking for a way out - that is a remarkable woman. [/QUOTE] I’ve thought of that, too. Also - the amount of time she spent underground is roughly the span of my oldest daughter’s life. So I think about that too .. year after year, as my child grew and passed milestones of her life .. all that whole time this poor lady was a prisoner. It’s so painful to think about. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/74 "2008-04-30T22:08:42Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] And proving yet again that everything in the world is connected to Thailand in some manner, we now see that this is where Josef Fritzl enjoyed vacationing. Story [here](http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/30/austria.meeting/index.html). [/QUOTE] Why do they keep saying he fathered seven of her children? She had more than seven children, by different men? Just something that is bugging me. This whole thing is nasty though. I can’t imagine. ---
**Author:** ![Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@Swallowed\_My\_Cellphone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swallowed_My_Cellphone)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/75 "2008-04-30T23:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=Flutterby] Why do they keep saying he fathered seven of her children? She had more than seven children, by different men? Just something that is bugging me. [/QUOTE] I believe it’s trying to make the distinction between the other children he fathered with his wife. Perhaps it’s a sloppy translation from original German reports, since so far nothing has referred to her having any children prior to being locked up at the age of 18. That’s a guess. Eg/ “He fathered seven children through her, and he fathered four (?) with his wife.” Or “He fathered her seven children as well has his wife’s children.” I don’t actually remember how many kids he had with his wife, so I just made up the number 4. ---
**Author:** ![ivylass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/9de053/32.png) [@ivylass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivylass)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/76 "2008-04-30T23:29:31Z")
[QUOTE=NinetyWt] I’ve thought of that, too. Also - the amount of time she spent underground is roughly the span of my oldest daughter’s life. So I think about that too .. year after year, as my child grew and passed milestones of her life .. all that whole time this poor lady was a prisoner. It’s so painful to think about. ☹ [/QUOTE] That hit me too on the way home from work. She’s two years old than I am. She was imprisoned when I was 16. Since then, I’ve graduated high school, college, started a career, had two children, moved cross country twice, bought two houses, sold one, bought a rental property, bid farewell to four beloved dogs, and saw one of my two children graduate high school and am two years away from seeing the second one graduate. Just damn. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/77 "2008-05-01T01:15:00Z")
[QUOTE=Swallowed My Cellphone] I believe it’s trying to make the distinction between the other children he fathered with his wife. Perhaps it’s a sloppy translation from original German reports, since so far nothing has referred to her having any children prior to being locked up at the age of 18. [/QUOTE] Yes, I think it’s just a poor choice of wording in the report I linked to above. Before this one, I’ve been hearing only that he fathered seven children _with her_, not _of hers_. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/78 "2008-05-01T01:18:23Z")
My idea of the right punishment for this guy (and many others) is to develop a tech so you can go back in time and record the anguish suffered by their victims, and perhaps by their loved ones as well. Then pipe it into the scumbag’s brain. On an endless loop. Amplified perhaps. And strap 'em down so they can’t kill themselves. 'Cause they’re gonna want to, but they don’t deserve that release. They should know what they’ve done. They should know it a lot. I thought that up for the scumbag who did in Jessica Lunsford. I would have loved for him to experience what his victim did. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/79 "2008-05-01T02:55:15Z")
Indeed. Every time I think I’ve found a reason to believe in humanity, the world gives me a reason to think of it as a festering shithole of suffering and oppression. On second thought, I’m just happy she and her children are free now. Human beings are incredibly resilient creatures. I have faith they will be able to move on with their lives. Imagine what a gift to them will be the things we take for granted every day. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281/80 "2008-05-01T03:05:08Z")
[QUOTE=olivesmarch4th] Indeed. Every time I think I’ve found a reason to believe in humanity, the world gives me a reason to think of it as a festering shithole of suffering and oppression. [/QUOTE] Allow me to offer a [dose of counter-balancing humanity](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=466114). It’s not earth-shaking, or anything, but I think you’ll enjoy reading it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-horror-some-people-need-to-be-hit-with-an-ax/447281.md?page=3)