# House of Representatives Rejects Bailout Bill **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 29, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746 "2008-09-29T18:21:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/1 "2008-09-29T18:21:41Z")
I say this is what happens when the people do not trust their President. A party does not trust it’s leader. The Republican party does not trust Senator McCain nor does it trust George Bush. So then why should they vote for a bill that may come back to cost them their jobs? John McCain was in Ohio today claiming victory for the Bill as it is now and suggesting that he was in the midst of the negotiations “not phoning it in” obviously referring to Barack Obama. Well his party obviously does not trust him and his negotiators and as a result, have voted down on the Bill. And of course stocks have followed suit and taken a big tumble. Now we shall see who was right. The naysayers or the bailout folks. By the way Wachovia failed and sold out to Citi Group. A few European Banks are also tanking. BREAKING NEWS: [Stocks plummet as House rejects massive bailout bill](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26884523/) ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/2 "2008-09-29T18:23:44Z")
Awesome news ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/3 "2008-09-29T18:24:11Z")
Seriously, is this the start of Great Depression II? ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/4 "2008-09-29T18:25:52Z")
I really am worried that we may be headed for another depression. Ed ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/5 "2008-09-29T18:26:31Z")
Uh…what’s with the Republican party attacks? If the Dems wanted to pass this bill, it would have passed. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/6 "2008-09-29T18:28:38Z")
:eek: I am absolutely floored that they didn’t get something passed, and now a little bit more frightened about the future. crap ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/7 "2008-09-29T18:29:20Z")
Very bad IMHO. Guess we’ll find out if all those folks who don’t want to bail out those rich bastards and ‘loot’ the system are right… BTW, this bill was a compromise bill with too many of those compromise thingies in it…I’m not surprised it didn’t pass. Neither the Dems nor the Pubs REALLY liked it after all. Not surprised…but disappointed. -XT ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/8 "2008-09-29T18:31:05Z")
Yes, our Representatives actually listened too us. It’s not the end of the world, and if we need a helping hand perhaps we can spend more than a few weeks discussing that large amount of money. ---
**Author:** ![shantih](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@shantih](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shantih)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/9 "2008-09-29T18:32:23Z")
On the other hand, is it too early to start heating up a nice big pot of hobo stew? ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/10 "2008-09-29T18:33:18Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > Uh…what’s with the Republican party attacks? If the Dems wanted to pass this bill, it would have passed. Because for once, the Democrats were smart enough not to get left holding the bag. I predict that you won’t see another bill until it can pass with a large majority of both parties. There was an interesting article this weekend (AP Story - I can’t seem to locate it now) that talked about how the Democrats and Republicans have flipped positions with regard to party unity and discipline. The Democrats have embraced their candidate and, in fact, gave him a significant role in discussions over the weekend (in spite of his lack of congressional seniority) while the Republicans didn’t extend the same courtesy to their candidate (who was relegated to sitting quietly while the bosses talked). ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/11 "2008-09-29T18:34:05Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > Uh…what’s with the Republican party attacks? If the Dems wanted to pass this bill, it would have passed. Does anyone have a break-down on the vote by party? It sounds to me as if both sides of the aisle voted against this. Obviously, party discipline is not as strong in the US as it is in most other countries, but it sounds as if Bush, Pelosi, McCain and Obama all have a disconnect from the people who should be their supporters in Congress on a major issue. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/12 "2008-09-29T18:34:06Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > On the other hand, is it too early to start heating up a nice big pot of hobo stew? Hobo’s are tough, I say eat the rich. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/13 "2008-09-29T18:37:21Z")
So, is anyone betting on DOW at 9,000 by November 4th? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/14 "2008-09-29T18:38:24Z")
Boy, Republicans are some petty little creatures. The bill is failing because of a snit fit. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/15 "2008-09-29T18:38:28Z")
So Pelosi makes a partisan speech and slags off Bush. This makes some GOP members vote in a different way. Jesus Christ! This is serious shit and these fucks are acting like they’re in school. Boo-fucking-hoo. Grow up. The words on the bill are still the same. Vote for the thing and then slam her after the session. Unbe-fucking-livable. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/16 "2008-09-29T18:39:09Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Does anyone have a break-down on the vote by party? It sounds to me as if both sides of the aisle voted against this. Obviously, party discipline is not as strong in the US as it is in most other countries, but it sounds as if Bush, Pelosi, McCain and Obama all have a disconnect from the people who should be their supporters in Congress on a major issue. No - 66 Dem, 132 Rep. Yes - 141 Dem, 94 Rep. So I ask again, how is this the Republicans’ fault?!? ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/17 "2008-09-29T18:40:32Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > No - 66 Dem, 132 Rep. Yes - 141 Dem, 94 Rep. > > So I ask again, how is this the Republicans’ fault?!? Right now the Republicans are standing in front of the cameras saying they didn’t vote for the bill because they didn’t like Pelosi’s speech. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/18 "2008-09-29T18:40:33Z")
They should’ve hung on to that $600/taxpayer plus $300/dependent they gave out earlier this year. ---
**Author:** ![RyJae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@RyJae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RyJae)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/19 "2008-09-29T18:40:57Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > Does anyone have a break-down on the vote by party? It sounds to me as if both sides of the aisle voted against this. Obviously, party discipline is not as strong in the US as it is in most other countries, but it sounds as if Bush, Pelosi, McCain and Obama all have a disconnect from the people who should be their supporters in Congress on a major issue. Yep, I couldn’t believe both Obama and McCain backed this bill. Considering a large chunk of the people they actually represent didn’t want anything to do with this bill. Maybe the bill will be the best thing that they can do, but frankly I don’t think a few weeks with a few “leaders” is enough to decide. The economy wouldn’t have crashed, and hopefully still won’t, if they would have started talking about this when the housing crisis first started. And now they would have a bill more people (the people that they supposedly represent) would feel better about. It takes more than two weeks for me to decide on buying a car, I think it should take more than two weeks for the government to spend 700 billion. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2008, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746/20 "2008-09-29T18:41:09Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Right now the Republicans are standing in front of the cameras saying they didn’t vote for the bill because they didn’t like Pelosi’s speech. And the 66 Democrats? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-of-representatives-rejects-bailout-bill/465746.md?page=2)