# House overrides Trump's veto of the military authorization \[corrected title\] bill **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 29, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139 "2020-12-29T00:58:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/1 "2020-12-29T00:58:45Z")
By 322-87. About 50 votes more than necessary. The article from the NYT said it is expected that the Senate will do the same. Perhaps the duck is lame. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/2 "2020-12-29T01:11:42Z")
I’m torn between “Better Late Than Never” and “Too Little Too Late”. (ETA: I expect the Senate to follow suit.) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/3 "2020-12-29T02:15:57Z")
I hope this makes Trump’s head explode with indignation and he sees that the Republican Party is now against him. I hope he tries to burn the GOP to the ground. They dared to vote against King Donald. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/4 "2020-12-29T02:20:32Z")
I’m not sure this is about lame-duckness or anti-Trumpness as it is that the defense budget almost always sails through by huge margins with overwhelming bipartisan support. If Obama had vetoed such a bill he’d have been overriden too. The math is the math. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/5 "2020-12-29T02:28:38Z")
> The legislation also directly addresses the protests for racial justice spurred over the summer by the killing of Black Americans, including George Floyd, at the hands of the police. It would require all federal officers enforcing crowd control at protests and demonstrations to identify themselves and their agencies. Can’t believe I’m about to say it, but, good job, The Government. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/6 "2020-12-29T02:44:45Z")
This was a particularly dumb one for Donald to veto. Every single member of Congress has a military installation and/or defense contractor or subcontractor in their district. Every single member of Congress has hundreds or thousands of constituents who are currently serving in the military or are military dependents. Trump’s complete misreading of his leverage on this and the stimulus bill is mind boggling. \*And just to be a complete pedant about the thread title, it was the defense _authorization_ bill that was overridden, not the defense _appropriations_ act. ---
**Author:** ![Duckster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duckster/32/1244_2.png) [@Duckster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duckster)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/7 "2020-12-29T02:45:29Z")
Bernie Sanders has vowed to stop the NDAA veto override in the Senate unless Mitch McConnell brings the $2,000 stimulus package, (the House just approved) to a vote. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/8 "2020-12-29T02:49:09Z")
I’m not sure how. If they can get 67 Senators to vote to override the veto, they can surely get 60 to vote to invoke cloture. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/9 "2020-12-29T02:51:11Z")
Yeah, Bernie is just posturing. ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/10 "2020-12-29T02:58:45Z")
Bingo. It’s just Bernie being Bernie. Obnoxious, shallow, and ineffective. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/11 "2020-12-29T04:35:15Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > Every single member of Congress has hundreds or thousands of constituents who are currently serving in the military or are military dependents. And quite a lot of those folks have been supporting him for the last four years. I don’t think anything at all he could or would do shall change a lot of minds. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/12 "2020-12-29T13:56:07Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I’m not sure how. If they can get 67 Senators to vote to override the veto, they can surely get 60 to vote to invoke cloture. > [@Velocity](#): > > Yeah, Bernie is just posturing. Is he threatening filibuster? I thought Senators had other methods of stopping/delaying individual bills. And even if not, and he is just posturing, it will put the GOP on spinable record as opposing the $2,000 (although I guess enough Dems will support cloture also that it will water that effect down). ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/13 "2020-12-29T14:00:00Z")
They won’t be on record as opposing the $2000. They’ll be on record as wanting to vote on the completely unrelated NDAA. Bernie Sanders will be on record as trying to derail vital bipartisan legislation in a convoluted effort to re-negotiate a different piece of bi-partisan legislation that’s already been passed and signed into law. I don’t think Republicans are the ones who would be pay a political price or suffer in public opinion in this scenario. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/14 "2020-12-29T14:04:52Z")
He can slow things down a bit (usually the Majority Leader would try to bring this up by unanimous consent which would let them vote straight away). But he can’t stretch it out more than a few days. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/15 "2020-12-29T14:52:53Z")
Bernie wants to get the Republicans on record as either supporting Trump, and thus the $2000 payment, or opposing the $2000 payment and thus opposing Trump. Especially Perdue and Loeffler. If the payment actually passes, then that would be a bonus. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/16 "2020-12-29T15:12:52Z")
Again, that’s not what’s going to happen with this maneuver. Bernie is threatening to hold up an entirely unrelated piece of legislation, the NDAA. There’s nothing about that which forces the Republicans to go “on record” about the $2000. What it will do is allow Republicans to portray Bernie, and by extension all Democrats, and cranky and petulant, and willing to derail a vital piece of bipartisan legislation in a futile attempt to re-negotiate a different piece of legislation that was already passed with bipartisan majorities in both houses and signed into law. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/17 "2020-12-29T15:20:17Z")
Bernie is holding up the vote on the NDAA until he gets a commitment that the $2000 payment bill will be brought to the floor for a vote. He wants that vote first. I doubt he expects it to pass, but he wants that vote on record. The NDAA is his leverage. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/18 "2020-12-29T15:25:57Z")
He has NO leverage. As @gdave points out, there will be two votes – the vote to invoke cloture on the defense bill, and the vote to override Trump’s veto. Neither vote will have anything to do with larger checks, so no Republican Senator will be “put on record” as opposing the $2,000 checks. Sanders has NO ability to prevent these votes. At most, he can hold things up for an extra day or two. He cannot force the Senate to hold a vote on the larger checks. I swear that Sanders must walk around with a topographical map of Washington in his pocket, always looking for (dumb) hills to die on. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/19 "2020-12-29T15:42:26Z")
I will say that the ONE possible upside to Sander’s tactics (not that he’s thought of it) is that it could force Purdue and Loeffler to spend a little more time in Washington when they’d rather be back in Georgia campaigning in their runoff elections. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/20 "2020-12-29T15:43:40Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > Bernie is holding up the vote on the NDAA until he gets a commitment that the $2000 payment bill will be brought to the floor for a vote. He wants that vote first. I doubt he expects it to pass, but he wants that vote on record. The NDAA is his leverage. In the immortal words of Homer Simpson, it’s nice to want things. He can’t actually force McConnell to bring the House stimulus bill to the floor. He definitely can’t force the Senate to vote on that first. He has no way of forcing Republicans to “go on record” on the $2000. All he can do is delay implementation of a vital bill with broad bipartisan support, and then get ignored after the veto override vote eventually comes to the floor. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139.md?page=2)