# House overrides Trump's veto of the military authorization \[corrected title\] bill **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 29, 2020, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139 "2020-12-29T00:58:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/21 "2020-12-29T16:04:11Z")
I made no claim to the likelihood of success, instead, I was commenting on the point of the scheme. Though Bernie may not be able to force the issue, he can certainly “gum up the works” and force everyone to stay in town (including Perdue and Loeffler). Also, I recall reading that, with holiday absences, McConnell may not have the 60 votes for cloture. I have not seen how many Senators are actually in chamber today, so I don’t know if enough votes are actually available. (Although if there are enough Senators present to override the NDAA veto, cloture may not be a huge concern). The odds of anything effectively advancing the stimulus payment in the Senate are very low. The odds that Bernie’s antics will keep the media cycle firmly fixed on the Senate today are very high - with much attention focused on Perdue and Loeffler’s responses. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Bredin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@John\_Bredin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Bredin)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/22 "2020-12-29T16:15:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’m not sure this is about lame-duckness or anti-Trumpness as it is that the defense budget almost always sails through by huge margins with overwhelming bipartisan support. You know that, and I know that, but Trump doesn’t know that. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/23 "2020-12-29T16:17:47Z")
I’m no fan of Senator Sanders, but his even saying he’s going to try to block the NDAA vote unless McConnell puts the $2000 stimulus payment up for a vote reminds people that McConnell is holding up votes on things that would benefit people. So even if Loeffler and Perdue say they’d vote for the $2000 stimulus (which they have), it’s a nice reminder that a vote for them is a vote for McConnell to keep doing these things. And it continues to help drive a wedge between McConnell and Trump. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/24 "2020-12-29T16:21:40Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > I recall reading that, with holiday absences, McConnell may not have the 60 votes for cloture. I have not seen how many Senators are actually in chamber today, so I don’t know if enough votes are actually available. (Although if there are enough Senators present to override the NDAA veto, cloture may not be a huge concern). Right, he won’t move anything until he knows what the result will be one way or the other. ---
**Author:** ![SingleMalt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/singlemalt/32/3961_2.png) [@SingleMalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SingleMalt)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/25 "2020-12-29T16:28:52Z")
And now, Perdue and Loeffler have signaled their support for the $2000 stimulus: > **[McConnell blocks Democrats’ attempt to quickly approve $2,000 stimulus checks...](https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/stimulus-checks-senate/2020/12/29/344fa850-49d9-11eb-839a-cf4ba7b7c48c_story.html)** > > A growing number of GOP senators are now supporting the larger stimulus checks, joining Democrats after House vote on Monday. (Sorry, Washington Post paywall warning). They join Marco Rubio and Josh Hawley in support of the payments. Though McConnell still rules this particular roost, the calculus has become more complicated. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/26 "2020-12-29T16:36:52Z")
McConnell may well allow a vote on the $2,000 checks, particularly if he calculates that it’s necessary to hold onto the Georgia Senate seats. But it won’t be because of anything Sanders tries to pull on the NDAA. I suspect that what McConnell may try to do is put a bill on the floor that provides for the $2,000 checks but pairs it up with something that’s poison to Democrats – e.g. a coronavirus liability shield for employers. Then Republicans who feel like they need to be on record voting for the larger checks can do so without the possibility that it will actually become law. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/27 "2020-12-29T17:19:33Z")
> [@SingleMalt](#): > > I made no claim to the likelihood of success, instead, I was commenting on the point of the scheme. Though Bernie may not be able to force the issue, he can certainly “gum up the works” and force everyone to stay in town (including Perdue and Loeffler). Also, I recall reading that, with holiday absences, McConnell may not have the 60 votes for cloture. I have not seen how many Senators are actually in chamber today, so I don’t know if enough votes are actually available. (Although if there are enough Senators present to override the NDAA veto, cloture may not be a huge concern). > > The odds of anything effectively advancing the stimulus payment in the Senate are very low. The odds that Bernie’s antics will keep the media cycle firmly fixed on the Senate today are very high - with much attention focused on Perdue and Loeffler’s responses. > [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I’m no fan of Senator Sanders, but his even saying he’s going to try to block the NDAA vote unless McConnell puts the $2000 stimulus payment up for a vote reminds people that McConnell is holding up votes on things that would benefit people. So even if Loeffler and Perdue say they’d vote for the $2000 stimulus (which they have), it’s a nice reminder that a vote for them is a vote for McConnell to keep doing these things. And it continues to help drive a wedge between McConnell and Trump. What it does is keep the media spotlight on _Bernie Sanders_. It certainly does nothing to “remind” me personally of McConnell’s shortcomings, but it does a lot to remind me of Sanders’. He’s effectively throwing a tantrum and threatening to hold his breath until he gets his way. All Mitch McConnell needs to do is calmly wait until Sanders runs out of oxygen, while occasionally dropping comments to the media about Democratic obstructionism on a measure that’s vital to national security. There’s just no upside for Sanders, other than reinforcing his smug self-image as the One Good Man in Washington. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/28 "2020-12-29T17:38:29Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > What it does is keep the media spotlight on _Bernie Sanders_ . It certainly does nothing to “remind” me personally of McConnell’s shortcomings, but it does a lot to remind me of Sanders’. It may do it for you, but it doesn’t do that for me. And I think it’s helpful to keep the spotlight on McConnell during this last week before our two Georgia Senate seat elections. So I welcome it. Make McConnell have to deal a little bit more about not bringing the $2000 stimulus to the floor (which he would have anyways, but interestingly after Sanders made his statement both Perdue and Loeffler have come out for the $2000 stimulus). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/29 "2020-12-29T17:48:10Z")
Not only that but TRUMP retweeted someone saying that Sanders was going to try to force the $2000 to the floor, saying that it should be $2000 not $600 (basically backing Sanders). So it’s helping to put McConnell even more into a pincer as he rejects the first attempt to vote on it on the Senate floor. Pitting Loeffler and Perdue openly against McConnell. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/30 "2020-12-29T18:36:35Z")
So we’re Not getting the checks? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/31 "2020-12-29T18:45:49Z")
The $2000 are a separate bill now, the one that included the $600 payment already was passed by both chambers and signed finally by Trump. A lot of people will now get the 600, as for the 2000: that remains in the air and in life support that the Republicans might turn off. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/32 "2020-12-29T18:59:39Z")
thanks. I was confused. Watching politics can do that to you. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/33 "2020-12-29T19:03:49Z")
Just a note: the $2000 is actually $1400. You’re definitely getting $600; that was passed and signed. The bill to raise it to $2000 is in question. But it doesn’t give everyone $2000 more; it gives $1400 more for a total of $2000. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/34 "2020-12-29T19:12:49Z")
FWIW, Senator Ed Markey from Massachusetts is also saying no vote on the NDAA until the $2000 comes to the floor. Will be interesting to see if the Democrats in Senate actually grow a spine and force the issue. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/35 "2020-12-29T20:03:41Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > I suspect that what McConnell may try to do is put a bill on the floor that provides for the $2,000 checks but pairs it up with something that’s poison to Democrats – e.g. a coronavirus liability shield for employers. Then Republicans who feel like they need to be on record voting for the larger checks can do so without the possibility that it will actually become law. And there he goes – from the Washington Post: _McConnell instead took note of Trump’s Sunday statement that called for not only larger checks but also new curbs on large tech companies and an investigation into the November election, and he suggested they would be dealt with in tandem. That tech provision is commonly referred to as “Section 230.”_ _“Those are the three important subjects the president has linked together,” he said. “This week the Senate will begin a process to bring these three priorities into focus.”_ ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/36 "2020-12-30T00:43:11Z")
Trump does not realize apparently that repealing Section 230 would almost surely result in his Twitter account being shut down since it would make Twitter liable for every libel tweeted by Trump (or anyone else). Same with Facebook and the other social media. In fact, it might even cause problems for SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/37 "2020-12-31T16:52:24Z")
I have not seen one word about the senate voting on the override. If they don’t do it today, is there any way they can do it before this congress ends? ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/38 "2020-12-31T17:15:35Z")
I’m having trouble finding a cite that isn’t paywalled or on a site that blocks me until I disable my adblocker, but there’s a “test” vote scheduled for tomorrow, and the procedures are in motion to override the veto over the weekend. The end of the calendar year is irrelevant. The Senate remains in session until it decides otherwise. Time is running short before the new Congress is sworn in, but they’ve got time as long as McConnell can keep everything on track. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/39 "2020-12-31T17:25:07Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > The end of the calendar year is irrelevant. The Senate remains in session until it decides otherwise. There is a “hard stop” though – the current session of Congress ends at noon on Sunday. Anything not approved by then is dead. I believe the plan is to tee up a cloture vote on Friday, which would limit any remaining debate on the override to 30 hours of floor time. McConnell can keep the Senate in session overnight if he wants to and run out that clock, teeing up a final vote on Saturday or early Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2020, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139/40 "2020-12-31T17:28:39Z")
Thanks. I didn’t realize the timing was _that_ close. Still, it _seems_ to be on track. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-overrides-trumps-veto-of-the-military-authorization-corrected-title-bill/929139.md?page=3)