# House passes "repeal and replace" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 4, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871 "2017-05-04T20:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/221 "2017-05-05T01:36:36Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Jesus Christ man, is this still a question? Because some people believe the Constitution doesn’t say the Federal Government can do this. And they believe the states CAN do it. Is it really that hard to understand? Or, more succinctly put: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/222 "2017-05-05T01:39:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Or, more succinctly put: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” The Supreme Court does not agree that the ACA is nullified by that. A conservative majority Supreme Court decided that I might note. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/223 "2017-05-05T01:39:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, but my objections aren’t grounded in medical outcomes. > > My objections arise from the unique dual sovereignty we have between states and the federal government. You don’t think “provide for the general welfare” covers health? What then does it cover? It doesn’t mean defense’ that is mentioned separately. Perhaps it covers what is more commonly called welfare now? I’m sure you object to that, too, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/224 "2017-05-05T01:40:38Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > Jesus Christ man, it is NOT a question any longer. The Supreme Court said they can. > > End. Of. Story. > > You can disagree if you want with the Supreme Court but as it is today it is perfectly legal. > > Is it really that hard to understand? I’m not saying it’s not legal. But why do you keep asking the same question as other posters? That’s their belief. Ask why they think that recent Supreme Court decisions didn’t determine that it IS a federal issue. Don’t keep asking why they think States can do things the Federal Government can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/225 "2017-05-05T01:40:52Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > …And because it results in an outcome you favor anyway, apparently you can’t find much fire in your heart to criticize the method this time… I just rated the current method more than twice as dishonest as the original. What are you looking for? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/226 "2017-05-05T01:43:03Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I just rated the current method more than twice as dishonest as the original. What are you looking for? A minimum of 5X dishonesty multiplier. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/227 "2017-05-05T01:44:03Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Could you post the form in which this wide-spread agreement manifests itself? > > I can understand “military” and “justice system” but what agreement mechanism applies to “public roads”? > > (Disclaimer, my health insurance is already provided by taxpayers so this vote doesn’t affect me or my family) Yes: a chief executive who makes “repeal and replace” a central part of his platform does NOT get elected. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/228 "2017-05-05T01:45:06Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > A minimum of 5X dishonesty multiplier. Look, these are made up metrics, but they are HONEST made-up metrics; I compromise my arbitrary rating system for no man. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/229 "2017-05-05T01:45:08Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Jesus Christ man, is this still a question? Because some people believe the Constitution doesn’t say the Federal Government can do this. And they believe the states CAN do it. Is it really that hard to understand? Are they going to support the states doing it? I’m guessing no. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/230 "2017-05-05T01:47:35Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > Are they going to support the states doing it? I’m guessing no. \*\*Bricker \*\*already said he would support the states doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/231 "2017-05-05T01:47:41Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > Are they going to support the states doing it? I’m guessing no. I don’t live in California. I don’t really care what they do. You may call that “support” if you like. That is, I support their right to do stuff like that, however unworkable I consider it. Especially since I consider it the original (and, unfortunately, violated) purpose of the federal/state system that we have - that states get to experiment with things like that. I wouldn’t support my state doing it, no. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/232 "2017-05-05T01:48:16Z")
Why not? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/233 "2017-05-05T01:48:38Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes, although the reason it’s well spent has nothing to do with healthcare outcomes and everything to do with the proper role of government. Might be helpful if you’d take the trouble to specify when you are differentiating between “proper role of government” _per se_, and “proper role of government [at level _x_].” ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/234 "2017-05-05T01:50:00Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Yes: a chief executive who makes “repeal and replace” a central part of his platform does NOT get elected. This seems to be a less than “lawyerly” answer. I’m seriously asking what has shown that “public roads” are a federal issue. Like Federal gas tax. Were there any court cases or anything? (This is a serious question) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/235 "2017-05-05T01:51:19Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The Supreme Court does not agree that the ACA is nullified by that. > > A conservative majority Supreme Court decided that I might note. Perhaps you missed my basic claim. To repeat it: I don’t agree that Obamacare was wise public policy. See, e.g. post #1, #10, #36, and others. I’m not claiming that the ACA unconstitutional, or nullified, or illegitimate. I claim that in my opinion, there is a wise role for federal government and that this role does not include paying for everyone’s health care. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/236 "2017-05-05T01:51:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Might be helpful if you’d take the trouble to specify when you are differentiating between “proper role of government” _per se_, and “proper role of government [at level _x_].” I also thought this. If someone is referring to the Federal Government, it should be stated explicitly. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/237 "2017-05-05T01:52:27Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > This seems to be a less than “lawyerly” answer. > > I’m seriously asking what has shown that “public roads” are a federal issue. Like Federal gas tax. Were there any court cases or anything? (This is a serious question) Roads are built by states with the federal government’s involvement limited to its spending power. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/238 "2017-05-05T01:53:34Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > You put forward the following: > > I was answering what you put forward. I made no claim that you held those views personally. You’re missing my point (and **Irruncible** ’s). I’ll leave it to you to figure out where you lost the plot… ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/239 "2017-05-05T01:54:23Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Might be helpful if you’d take the trouble to specify when you are differentiating between “proper role of government” _per se_, and “proper role of government [at level _x_].” Fair point, although I thought it was made clear by context from the beginning, and explicitly by post #71. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/240 "2017-05-05T01:54:35Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > No, I’m asking why they should accept a “you’re going to die on the streets, but that’s what the law demands” as a response to their problems. All this talk about enumerated powers is fine and important, but seems rarely, if ever, accompanied by any attempt, or even discussion, at addressing the core issue of the particular law we’re talking about. Why should anyone who’s sick, or who has a family member who’s sick, or might one day become sick, support the conservative viewpoint? I’m asking those with that viewpoint to answer that question. Why do you ask that? I don’t think the “conservatives” are asking them to. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871.md?page=13)