# House passes "repeal and replace" **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 4, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871 "2017-05-04T20:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 65
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1281 "2017-07-08T07:22:25Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Out of my own curiosity, how do you feel about the rollback of the Medicaid expansion? The system in place for Medicaid seems to fit within the framework of Federal Government gives money to the States and they provide the benefit that you seem to agree with. And it seems that rolling back the expansion would definitely hurt people on the poorer side of things. What are your thoughts on it? In broad strokes, I’m persuaded that Medicaid is a good way for the federal government to use its spending power to allow the states to administer the requisite programs. As a general proposition, I’m not in favor of sharp cuts to Medicaid. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1282 "2017-07-08T15:04:26Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > They can’t get their own people on board because the ones who might be most vulnerable don’t want to vote for it and the far right tea party / libertarians won’t vote for it unless it is even more vicious. They’ve promised their base for seven years that they would repeal and replace it, without being able to produce a plan to do so. Now since they refuse to compromise with the Democrats or even involve them in the process, they have to get all of their narrow majority to agree to a plan and vote for it. > > And they’re finding that they can’t agree on one. And Ben Sasse moves to a talking point that somehow repealing without replacing will force Dems to the table. Sorry folks, this one has (R) written all over it. There’s no evading that, except of course with the base that will buy any kind of fairy tale. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1283 "2017-07-08T16:05:53Z")
How do you ‘force’ someone to a table when you refused to invite them in the first place? The Dems have zero incentive to bail the Republicans out on this one. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1284 "2017-07-10T01:08:44Z")
'Pubs are buying stock in health insurance companies while the repeal moves forward: > **[Republican Lawmakers Buy Health Insurance Stocks as Repeal Effort Moves Forward](https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/republican-lawmakers-buy-health-insurance-stocks-as-repeal-effort-moves-forward/)** > > Just as the House Republican bill to slash much of the Affordable Care Act moved forward, some lawmakers started trading health care stocks. But I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1285 "2017-07-10T02:13:06Z")
> [@vivalostwages](#): > > 'Pubs are buying stock in health insurance companies while the repeal moves forward: > > [Republican Lawmakers Buy Health Insurance Stocks as Repeal Effort Moves Forward - The Intercept](https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/republican-lawmakers-buy-health-insurance-stocks-as-repeal-effort-moves-forward/) > > But I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. Yeah, and “the intercept” is a reliable source. Do you have a legitimate cite for your claim(s)? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1286 "2017-07-10T02:38:48Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Yeah, and “the intercept” is a reliable source. Do you have a legitimate cite for your claim(s)? Read the story. Follow the links to the disclosure documents. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1287 "2017-07-10T04:03:36Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Read the story. Follow the links to the disclosure documents. No, that’s not how it works. If she has facts to bring to the debate, she should post them, not a link to a website with a very obvious political slant. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1288 "2017-07-10T04:09:39Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, that’s not how it works. If she has facts to bring to the debate, she should post them, not a link to a website with a very obvious political slant. So you refuse to look at supporting documents unless they’re served up on a silver platter? Or do you just want to avoid facts? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1289 "2017-07-10T04:15:02Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > So you refuse to look at supporting documents unless they’re served up on a silver platter? > Or do you just want to avoid facts? A silver platter? Avoiding facts? No. Just post the actual facts, instead of a link to a diatribe. Is it really that hard to figure out? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1290 "2017-07-10T04:41:08Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > A silver platter? Avoiding facts? No. > > Just post the actual facts, instead of a link to a diatribe. Is it really that hard to figure out? Can’t you just click the links in the story and evaluate them? Will your computer explode if it opens [theintercept.com](http://theintercept.com) ? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1291 "2017-07-10T04:47:14Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > A silver platter? Avoiding facts? No. > > Just post the actual facts, instead of a link to a diatribe. Is it really that hard to figure out? …the cites are in the second paragraph. They even make the links to the citations blue so you know what to click. It took me less time to verify the story than it did to write this post. And you’ve written three of them. Just click the blue words already. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1292 "2017-07-10T04:50:06Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Can’t you just click the links in the story and evaluate them? Ha! Not when links include “think progress” and, ironically, the intercept itself. If someone has facts to bring to the debate, why not just post the facts themselves? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1293 "2017-07-10T05:10:38Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Ha! Not when links include “think progress” and, ironically, the intercept itself. If someone has facts to bring to the debate, why not just post the facts themselves? Way to avoid the first two links which go to the documentation. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1294 "2017-07-10T05:37:29Z")
To end this stupid argument: [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889817-Conaway1.html](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889817-Conaway1.html) [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889814-Inhofe1.html](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3889814-Inhofe1.html) Feel free to read through them at your leisure, **D’Anconia**. As others have pointed out, that took approximately _no_ time to find, they’re quite clearly marked in the article. I don’t know why you couldn’t find them on your own, but there you go. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1295 "2017-07-10T06:23:01Z")
I am thinking of a way to carve out this silly hijack about sources, etc. and I’m struggling. The challenge is to make it broad enough to accomplish getting the thread back on track, without being overly broad to stifle discussion. Let’s try this, please drop the hijack about the nature of the Intercept or its quality as a source unless directly relevant to healthcare. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1296 "2017-07-10T09:14:57Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I am thinking of a way to carve out this silly hijack about sources, etc. and I’m struggling. The challenge is to make it broad enough to accomplish getting the thread back on track, without being overly broad to stifle discussion. > > Let’s try this, please drop the hijack about the nature of the Intercept or its quality as a source unless directly relevant to healthcare. > > [/moderating] Just to clarify, this is not part of the hijack, right? > [@vivalostwages](#): > > 'Pubs are buying stock in health insurance companies while the repeal moves forward: > > [Republican Lawmakers Buy Health Insurance Stocks as Repeal Effort Moves Forward - The Intercept](https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/republican-lawmakers-buy-health-insurance-stocks-as-repeal-effort-moves-forward/) > > But I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1297 "2017-07-10T12:49:37Z")
Right. The underlying information or its veracity is not a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1298 "2017-07-10T13:07:30Z")
OK, so the comment is: "'Pubs are buying stock in health insurance companies while the repeal moves forward: [https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/...moves-forward/](https://theintercept.com/2017/07/06/...moves-forward/) But I’m sure it’s just a coincidence." What is this observation intended to prove? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1299 "2017-07-10T13:47:25Z")
Well it doesn’t prove anything but clearly they’re inferring these Republicans are trying to cash in on their legislation as repealing Obamacare is generally seen as a win for insurance companies. Of course it looks like these purchases happened in March, well before any bill was passed. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871/1300 "2017-07-10T18:20:20Z")
The whole thing may be moot after all: > **[Bill Cassidy: Senate healthcare plan, as originally proposed, is dead](https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bill-cassidy-senate-healthcare-plan-as-originally-proposed-is-dead)** > > The initial Senate Republican plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act is dead in the water and President Trump's idea of simply repealing Obamacare and then replacing it is a "non-starter," said Sen. Bill Cassidy on Sunday. [http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/gop-senators-suggest-bill-repeal-health-care-law-48533920](http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/gop-senators-suggest-bill-repeal-health-care-law-48533920) > **[McCain: GOP health care bill 'probably' will die | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/09/politics/john-mccain-health-care/index.html)** > > Republican Sen. John McCain said Sunday that he thought his party's health care bill was on course for failure. They’ve had a tough time trying to sell this bill, and for good reasons. For references to Medicaid cuts, closures of rural hospitals, and the strain on patients and caregivers, etc., there are links in the following posts: 1066, 1224, 1227, 1257 1. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871.md?page=64) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-passes-repeal-and-replace/785871.md?page=66)