# House Republicans stand stalwart for Wilson **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235 "2009-09-15T21:32:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/1 "2009-09-15T21:32:36Z")
There is absolutely nothing wrong with calling the President of the United States a liar while he is addressing a joint session of Congress. It’s not even to be disapproved. Wilson owed an apology not only to the President, but also to the House of Representatives, which he refused to do. I hope you’re ashamed of yourselves for putting party over propriety, and I hope the people who voted you into office are ashamed of you too. I can only assume that the 17 Democrats who voted “No” or “Present” did so because they are gleefully licking their chops at the future potential of calling a Republican President a liar from the floor of the House, and they should be ashamed as well. I’m disgusted. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/2 "2009-09-15T21:35:19Z")
Wilson owed me and all Americans an apology too. What an arrogant asshole he is. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/3 "2009-09-15T21:35:43Z")
Wasn’t one of the hopes pre-election that Obama might be able to get both parties to work with him? Man, that sure hasn’t panned out, has it? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/4 "2009-09-15T22:03:11Z")
It’s okay. In a few years, President Camacho will be free to respond to hecklers with a machine gun, just as the Prophet Mike Judge foretold. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/5 "2009-09-15T22:14:18Z")
Everyone disagrees, stand up and say “Lie!” ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/6 "2009-09-15T23:10:24Z")
I would like to know why Barney Frank voted against, though. He’s generally got reasons for things. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/7 "2009-09-15T23:39:43Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > I would like to know why Barney Frank voted against, though. He’s generally got reasons for things. [AP via Yahoo:](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_heckling) > [@](#): > > One of the Democrats voting “present,” Barney Frank of Massachusetts, said, “I think it’s bad precedent to put us in charge of deciding whether people act like jerks. I don’t have time to monitor everyone’s civility.” Not good enough a reason for me. I’d suspect that he is one of the Democrats I referred to in the OP. He should be ashamed. ---
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/8 "2009-09-15T23:55:39Z")
I can see why Barney Frank would say that, being kind of cantankerous himself. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/9 "2009-09-16T00:14:17Z")
I propose the formation of the “Joe Wilson Brigade”, consisting of one unique, anonymous citizen per day who enters the public gallery, and shouts out “You LIe!!” when Joe Wilson has the floor. Each would be subject to what ever punishment is due for such behavior, but a new citizen would take his place each and every day until Wilson apologizes. ---
**Author:** ![DanBlather](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@DanBlather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DanBlather)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/10 "2009-09-16T00:27:03Z")
I think that if the GOP didn’t join in then there was no point of the censure. It’ll just make the Dems look like hypocrites when they have to start retaliating. Bi-partisanship is gone. It’s time for the Dems to get some balls and start acting like they are in the majority. If the south doesn’t want the govt in their lives lets call them on it. No more hurricane relief, no more textile tarries, and no more levees. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/11 "2009-09-16T00:34:58Z")
> [@DanBlather](#): > > I think that if the GOP didn’t join in then there was no point of the censure. It’ll just make the Dems look like hypocrites when they have to start retaliating. It’s going to be equally as disgusting when Democrats do it to a Republican President. That is the road Republican Representatives have set us upon. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/12 "2009-09-16T00:46:20Z")
where can I find the official vote record? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/13 "2009-09-16T01:10:24Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > It’s going to be equally as disgusting when Democrats do it to a Republican President. That is the road Republican Representatives have set us upon. Uh, [already happened.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/24/MN8LSUUMF.DTL&type=printable) So I don’t know who you’d call the paving crew here. To recap, when a Democratic representative called President Bush a liar from the House floor in 2007, he faced a censure resolution himself. He apologized - in this case to the House and not to the President. The Democratic Party ensured that the motion was tabled. Frankly, I don’t think censure was appropriate here either - admonishment would have served well. Save censure for the important stuff. I said in another thread that McCarthy was censured - do we want to equate this little tiff to what he did? ---
**Author:** ![Alienhand](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8edcca/32.png) [@Alienhand](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alienhand)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/14 "2009-09-16T01:12:31Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > where can I find the official vote record? [c-span.org](http://c-span.org) has the resolution and rollcall on the front page. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/15 "2009-09-16T01:13:25Z")
Rollcall tally: [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll699.xml](http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll699.xml) The Republicans came down hard on the side of _incivility_ as a conservative value. With luck, they’ll run with it as part of their platform come 2010 and 2012. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/16 "2009-09-16T01:16:28Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Uh, [already happened.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/24/MN8LSUUMF.DTL&type=printable) So I don’t know who you’d call the paving crew here. > > To recap, when a Democratic representative called President Bush a liar from the House floor in 2007, he faced a censure resolution himself. He apologized - in this case to the House and not to the President. The Democratic Party ensured that the motion was tabled. > > Frankly, I don’t think censure was appropriate here either - admonishment would have served well. Save censure for the important stuff. I said in another thread that McCarthy was censured - do we want to equate this little tiff to what he did? What televised speech by Bush did Mr Stark interrupt? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/17 "2009-09-16T01:20:19Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Uh, [already happened.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/24/MN8LSUUMF.DTL&type=printable) So I don’t know who you’d call the paving crew here. Yes, very comparable. A Democrat did not call Bush a liar during a Presidential address to a Joint Session of Congress, and that Democrat apologized to the House for calling Bush a liar during debate on the floor of the House. I can see how you could mix up the two occurences. > [@](#): > > Frankly, I don’t think censure was appropriate here either - admonishment would have served well. Save censure for the important stuff. I said in another thread that McCarthy was censured - do we want to equate this little tiff to what he did? The motion was not for censure, nor was it for admonishment, it was for disapproval. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/18 "2009-09-16T01:26:09Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Rollcall tally: > [http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll699.xml](http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll699.xml) > The Republicans came down hard on the side of _incivility_ as a conservative value. > With luck, they’ll run with it as part of their platform come 2010 and 2012. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/19 "2009-09-16T01:39:12Z")
Still don’t care. This whole thing is an enormous waste of time and money. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235/20 "2009-09-16T01:39:57Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Uh, [already happened.](http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/10/24/MN8LSUUMF.DTL&type=printable) So I don’t know who you’d call the paving crew here. > > To recap, when a Democratic representative called President Bush a liar from the House floor in 2007, he faced a censure resolution himself. He apologized - in this case to the House and not to the President. The Democratic Party ensured that the motion was tabled. > > Frankly, I don’t think censure was appropriate here either - admonishment would have served well. Save censure for the important stuff. I said in another thread that McCarthy was censured - do we want to equate this little tiff to what he did? You guys really do have nothing, don’t you? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-republicans-stand-stalwart-for-wilson/510235.md?page=2)