# House Speaker Contest **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 12, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770 "2022-11-12T00:48:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/381 "2023-01-03T21:12:06Z")
And another nomination for Jordan. Meet the new vote, same as the old vote. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/382 "2023-01-03T21:12:41Z")
i’m kevin the 8th, i am i am… here we go again. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/383 "2023-01-03T21:12:54Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > is john bercow available? does the speaker need to be a citizen of the us? Now THAT would be funny. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/384 "2023-01-03T21:16:42Z")
I think it was Brendan Buck (former Boehner an Ryan aide) on MSNBC that just predicted McCarthy has likely no path to the Speakership now, and he predicted a year from now that he won’t even be a member of the House (meaning he’ll resign sometime over the next year). ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/385 "2023-01-03T21:19:49Z")
Jordan’s got 5 again ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/386 "2023-01-03T21:20:10Z")
Just got another for a total of 6. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/387 "2023-01-03T21:21:53Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Brendan Buck (former Boehner an Ryan aide) on MSNBC that just predicted McCarthy has likely no path to the Speakership now, and he predicted a year from now that he won’t even be a member of the House (meaning he’ll resign sometime over the next year). It was David Jolly, ex-GOPer from FL. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/388 "2023-01-03T21:23:54Z")
I noticed Blumenauer (D-OR) didn’t vote. Any other abstentions? ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/389 "2023-01-03T21:24:44Z")
It’s not an abstention, he was probably just in the can. They’ll call him again at the end of the roll call. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/390 "2023-01-03T21:25:46Z")
mccarthy just lost another moc to jordan, jordan may get 20 this time. mccarthy out on the 3rd round. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/391 "2023-01-03T21:26:46Z")
Gotcha, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/392 "2023-01-03T21:27:11Z")
This whole thing is vaguely reminiscent of a national leadership convention in Canada (at least how they used to be, before internet voting by members) In this case though, the opposition had no say in who the party chose as their leader. The party members did though. A big convention was held - Leadership candidates had lined up their votes beforehand as much as they could. During the convention, after the first vote, rarely was there anyone with a solid majority. Horse trading then took place, lots of meetings between candidate representatives. Deals were struck. Candidates who were low down in the voting totals would pledge their member’s votes to a particular other candidate. Repeat for 2nd vote. Repeat again as necessary. Eventually someone would come out on top. Some party rules dropped the lowest one or two vote getters in order to speed up the process. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/393 "2023-01-03T21:32:43Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > there is mumbling that there may be a nomination of an outside person to be speaker in the next round. One name I haven’t seen is [Alan Frumin](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Frumin). I don’t know how his health is, but he’s a highly qualified Republican (edit: I may be wrong about that) — at least, Trent Lott found him acceptable — who should be much more acceptable to every Democratic member than anyone that can get to 218 with GOP votes only. As forJeffries, voting for him is, pure and simple, throwing away your vote. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/394 "2023-01-03T21:34:26Z")
“i am not sympathetic to mccarthy’s humiliation, but i am intrigued by it.” nicole wallace. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/395 "2023-01-03T21:37:24Z")
Yes, but in that case you had multiple different factions who were trying to woo the smaller groups into their consensus. In this case you just have a 2% of one of two factions just being dicks for the sake of being dicks. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/396 "2023-01-03T21:39:39Z")
Since the Speaker is 3rd in presidential sucession, wouldn’t they have to be? What happens if a naturalized citize is elected speaker and the president and VP are, say, assassinated? ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/397 "2023-01-03T21:40:21Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > > > is john bercow available? does the speaker need to be a citizen of the us? > > Now THAT would be funny. Might even represent a step in the right direction of good governance. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/398 "2023-01-03T21:41:17Z")
> [@susan](#): > > Since the Speaker is 3rd in presidential sucession, wouldn’t they have to be? What happens if a naturalized citize is elected speaker and the president and VP are, say, assassinated? In that case, the speaker would be skipped in order of succession. We’ve had people like Kissinger or Madeline Albright in the line of succession, so this is not new. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/399 "2023-01-03T21:41:53Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > As forJeffries, voting for him is, pure and simple, throwing away your vote. Only in the sense that voting for a losing candidate is always “throwing away your vote,” which is a silly idea. If I lived in Utah, would a vote for Biden have been “throwing away my vote”? Voting for Jeffries demonstrates that the Democratic caucus is united. It demonstrates that the leaders can move votes. It contrasts to the noodle salad comprising the Republican party. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770/400 "2023-01-03T21:41:55Z")
Found it: > The Presidential Succession Act refers specifically to officers beyond the vice president [_acting as_ president](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_president_of_the_United_States) rather than _becoming_ president when filling a vacancy. The Cabinet has 15 members, of which the [secretary of state](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_of_the_United_States) is first in line; the other Cabinet secretaries follow in the order of when their departments (or the department of which their department is the successor) were created. Those heads of department who are constitutionally not “eligible to the Office of President” are disqualified from assuming the powers and duties of the president through succession, and skipped to the next in line. > **[United States presidential line of succession](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession)** > > The United States presidential line of succession is the order in which the vice president of the United States and other officers of the United States federal government assume the powers and duties of the U.S. presidency (or the office itself, in the instance of succession by the vice president) upon an elected president's death, resignation, removal from office, or incapacity. > The order of succession specifies that the office passes to the vice president; if the vice presidency is simultan... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-speaker-contest/974770.md?page=21)