# "House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995 "2023-09-12T16:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/261 "2023-09-19T16:51:18Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > … People just don’t see things outside their neighborhoods, and just believe whatever comes from those who say things they like. … Which also accounts for many people who buy the “stolen election” fraud/grift. They can’t believe Biden won because “nobody they know voted for him.” ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/262 "2023-09-20T02:17:54Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > confirm if Detroit is still standing For many years, the answer would have basically been “no”. It is getting better now though. It’s still probably not too hard to find some awful urban decay somewhere in the city, though most of it has been cleared and the land reverted to open fields. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/263 "2023-09-20T06:20:58Z")
> [@Stratocaster](#): > > If someone asserts that multiple American cities have been burned to the ground, They did claim that about Portland, and it is still there. There is a square block which _is_ pretty bad, or at least was. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2023, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/264 "2023-09-20T07:13:25Z")
Yeah. On the right-wing message board I look in on occasionally, Seattle and Portland have been destroyed totally, and San Francisco is on the brink. It’s all due to BLM and Antifa, of course, and their Marxist/Socialist/Communist policies, naturally. Never mind that the posters to that message board couldn’t define Marxism, Socialism, or Communism to save their lives; the fact that black lives do indeed matter, and there will always be agitators who are looking for any excuse to throw Molitov cocktails at The Man (Antifa), mean only one thing: real Americans (i.e. white and Christian) are under attack from Leftist Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/265 "2023-09-26T14:58:08Z")
Hey Sam, take a look at this guy! He literally has a listing for “China Trademark, LLC!” > ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/266 "2023-09-26T15:08:53Z")
So… Donald Trump is the guy you want to compare to? Who here is defending Donald Trump? We all think he’s crooked, and he has a whole bunch of LLCs. What a shock. There’s nothing wrong with having an LLC set up. It’s suspicious when you set many of them up with no business case behind them and all they seem to be for is shuffling money to family members. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/267 "2023-09-26T15:19:53Z")
How do you know they have no business case behind them? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/268 "2023-09-26T15:22:56Z")
We’ve already debunked the shell company bullshit. The Republicans in congress are lying. Your information about these companies is based on these lies. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/269 "2023-09-26T15:29:52Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > As someone that’s set up a few “shell companies” myself, I can assure you that its not only perfectly normal but it’s an indication of good business practices. > > I own company A. I’m chatting with the owner of company B and he has a client that wants a complete set of services. His company can provide some of those services but he needs my company to provide other services. > > We talk together and work out an equitable split on profits. The cleanest way for us to handle this is to set up an LLC, company C. > > All business in our mutual venture goes through company C. The client pays their invoices to company C and company C buys the products and services. Then the profits are split as per our arrangement and distributed to companies A and B. > > The LLC is a wehicle for accountability, it keeps all the money made from one particular joint venture separate for the income companies A and B make through other ventures, and if trust breaks down between the agents of company A and company B, company C is entity that has all the relevant transactions recorded in one place so they can be examined and audited if necessary. > > When I was in business, I did this a couple of times, and my partner in some of those ventures usually has several other LLC’s going at the same time. There nothing improper about it, in fact doing certain types of business without an LLC in place can be a red flag for impropriety. This post in particular bears repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/270 "2023-09-26T15:33:02Z")
The only reason they are attempting to impeach Biden is to help trump. Of what Biden supposedly did is enough to impeach and remove him from office, then you should be shouting long and loud about Trump being the nominee. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/271 "2023-09-26T16:36:09Z")
Although Trump’s businesses have certainly come under a lot of scrutiny, I’ve never heard anyone suggest that the fact that the Trump Organization is an entity that operates around 500 LLC’s was improper in and of itself. In fact, it’s probably necessary due to the nature of the business. There have been specific allegations of impropriety, among them the fact that the LLC’s have been used to funnel consulting payments to high level full time salaried employees that are also Trump’s family members, which is illegal tax avoidance. If any one can come up with specific improprieties involved with the Biden’s LLC’s I’d be happen to listen. But so far all I’ve seen is loaded language used to describe normal business practices, such as referring to distributing profits as “shuffling money”, referring to full grown-ass adults with extensive business experience as “children and grandchildren”, which is technically true but conjures up the image of a sleazy business paying salaries to the owner’s 8 year old children and referring to LLC’s as “shell companies. Yes, sometimes people use LLC’s because they convey certain legal business advantages, but there are also corresponding disadvantages. If an established business forms an LLC for the purpose of risky new venture, they will shield their main business from liabilities related to the new venture. But the flip side is should the LLC fail, they can’t use the losses from the venture to reduce the tax liability of the core business. The Biden persecution is an exercise in using loaded language and obfuscation to make perfectly normal and legal business practices seem nefarious. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/272 "2023-09-26T17:21:47Z")
A tiny bit of information in your post would have been helpful. Even a one sentence summary. I had no idea who you where talking about. Was there sarcasm in there? Don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/273 "2023-09-26T18:21:56Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > A tiny bit of information in your post would have been helpful. Even a one sentence summary. I had no idea who you where talking about. Agreed. I had no idea what the hell that was about and thought it was extremely weird. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/274 "2023-09-26T18:27:43Z")
The very first line in that table says it’s a public form and a whole bunch of other boilerplate. But the second and third line say" Filer’s Name: Donald J. Trump." I wonder if those lines are hard to see on a smartphone? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/275 "2023-09-26T18:28:22Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I wonder if those lines are hard to see on a smartphone? **Impossible** to see on a smart phone. It’s an entire spreadsheet rendered 2 inches wide. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/276 "2023-09-26T18:30:25Z")
Huh. Just pulled it up on my phone, pinch-zoomed, saw it no problem. Maybe depends on the browser? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/277 "2023-09-26T18:32:00Z")
I note that the entities on that page go to “1/19/2017”, the day before Trump’s inauguration. Not sure whether that means the LLCs were dissolved or that Trump removed himself from his position in them. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/278 "2023-09-26T18:38:34Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Just pulled it up on my phone, pinch-zoomed, saw it no problem. If I zoom I can barely make it out if I already know what I’m looking for. It’s still very blurry. It might be a combination of Discourse, Twitter, the browser, the device, the theme, etc. I think the basic idea is that if we need to do some sleuthing to figure out what you’re talking about (in this case searching over a large spreadsheet with absolutely no context at all) you should provide more info. I believe that’s why we have rules about links without context or untranslated foreign text. It’s a bit disruptive. Eh, this is turning into ATMB talk. 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/279 "2023-09-26T19:28:26Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > The only reason they are attempting to impeach Biden is to help trump. Of what Biden supposedly did is enough to impeach and remove him from office, then you should be shouting long and loud about Trump being the nominee. It’s information compartmentalization. Any member of the Biden family has an LLC = Biden Crime Family. TFG is an actual criminal = so what? To whit: > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > So… Donald Trump is the guy you want to compare to? > > Who here is defending Donald Trump? We all think he’s crooked IOKWARDI. Or at least when TFG does it. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/280 "2023-09-26T22:05:36Z")
My apologies. It’s a Tweet which includes a document showing several hundred llcs connected to Trump. I’ll do better. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=15)