# "House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995 "2023-09-12T16:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/301 "2023-09-29T18:05:01Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > The sad truth is that _this is their A-game_. They brought it, and what a sad and pathetic thing it has turned out to be. This is what happens when you start believing your own bullshit. They really believed that it was so easy to impeach a President, the Democrats did it twice just on a lark. They really believed that Joe Biden was so corrupt that the evidence would just be lying there, for all to see, no hard work needed. And now we’re seeing the result of that: Nothing, nothing, and nada. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/302 "2023-09-29T18:48:17Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > And now we’re seeing the result of that: Nothing, nothing, and nada. Which is OBVIOUSLY evidence of just how good at fraud and corruption Biden is. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/303 "2023-09-29T18:56:15Z")
Exactly! These are people who are _steeped_ in conspiracy theories. The main proof they need is lack of proof. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/304 "2023-09-29T19:03:26Z")
Well _they’re_ certainly convinced. And their opinion is the only one that matters. QED. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/305 "2023-09-29T19:10:37Z")
That doddering old demented Biden somehow is able to run the most sophisticated frauds imaginable, covering all the evidence. Lou Dobbs made that point way back in January 2021: > [@](#): > > “ **Eight weeks from the election and we still don’t have verifiable, tangible support for the crimes that everyone knows were committed** ,” Dobbs said. > > “We know that’s the case in Nevada,” he added. “We know it’s the case in Pennsylvania and a number of other states, but **we have had a devil of a time finding actual proof**.” > **[Fox host Lou Dobbs complained that he couldn't find 'actual proof' of voter...](https://www.businessinsider.com/lou-dobbs-fox-no-proof-election-fraud-pushes-theory-anyway-2021-1)** > > Dobbs said "we have had a devil of a time finding actual proof," though he did not back down in his baseless belief that voter fraud must've occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/306 "2023-09-29T19:13:41Z")
They’ve spent hours demonstrating the complete lack of a basis for any accusations or need for an investigation, and they are going to follow that up with a subpoena. My assumption here is that they expect that to be denied, and then they can point at that denial and claim that the fact that they won’t allow for a subpoena is showing that they have something to hide, and that is evidence of corruption. Note that this is what they will claim to the public, in an attempt to hurt Biden at the polls. They aren’t going to make that argument in court or use it as the basis of an attempt to impeach that will blow up in their faces. They don’t need to burn anything down, all they need is a fog machine so that they can claim there’s a fire. I don’t think it’s going to work. They aren’t going to convince anyone who wasn’t already going to vote their way. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/307 "2023-09-29T19:42:44Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > So, have any of you seen this video, of Jasmine Crockett eviscerating the GOP’s impeachment BS during the hearings? It is a thing of beauty. Wow, wowzers, wow. > [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > The Republicans are looking at a [possible subpoena of Hunter and Joe Biden’s bank records](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comer-issue-subpoenas-today-hunter-biden-james-biden/story?id=103496028). Weren’t they they party that fought tooth and nail over Congress getting trumps records? > [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > And, with Trump, when people would show him shaking hands in front of a camera at an event and CNN would say, “Look, he’s shaking hands with Convicted Pedophile 37!” I’d not be impressed because his professional occupation includes a lot of going around, kissing babies, posing for a photo, etc. It’s not indicative of anything. Yeah. They must pose for hundreds if not thousands at some events. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > That doddering old demented Biden somehow is able to run the most sophisticated frauds imaginable, covering all the evidence. Yes, like with their Schrödinger’s argument that Mexicans are at once coming to steal our jobs, and also lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/308 "2023-09-29T20:23:34Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > The lack of evidence presented by the GOP is damning enough without getting into whataboutism. > > Whataboutism can be a problem, but her point was not just about evidence, it was that they literally _couldn’t even define a crime_. We’ve asked over and over, “What is the crime?” and all we get back is vague suggestions of “He might be corrupt”, with no specifics. > > The contrast with Trump just highlights that. Ask, “What were Trump’s crimes?”, and you get specific actions, on specific dates, with specific witnesses, and specific documentation, all nicely typed up and submitted to the courts. I get it, and she used the ploy effectively. But a lot of people will just write it off as a Democratic WOC saying “Trump bad” during what’s supposed to be an inquiry into Biden. > [@RitterSport](#): > > What Bill C was impeached for had nothing at all to do with the original investigation. Same with what probably sunk Hilary C’s campaign. So, start this investigation and keep going and find out that Joe Biden, I don’t know, bought a race horse that ended having doping issues or something, and use that to batter him during the election. Bingo. Dig deep enough into anyone and you’ll find something that looks like a scandal, even if you have to squint a little. > [@Atamasama](#): > > in an attempt to hurt Biden at the polls Which is all they’re actually hoping to accomplish. I just today overheard a coworker (who, gag, lives in Wisconsin) say “Biden’s just as bad as Trump.” People who don’t follow these things closely just hear “Biden” and “impeachment inquiry” and, boom, he’s corrupt. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/309 "2023-09-29T21:13:30Z")
I don’t think it’s whataboutism. It’s more like “Y’all can’t fucking be serious.” ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/310 "2023-09-29T21:17:36Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Which is all they’re actually hoping to accomplish. I just today overheard a coworker (who, gag, lives in Wisconsin) say “Biden’s just as bad as Trump.” People who don’t follow these things closely just hear “Biden” and “impeachment inquiry” and, boom, he’s corrupt Agreed, but this can work against them. Anyone who is actually looking for facts will see the obvious differences. Anyone else was likely never going to vote fir Biden anyways. This is why I’m not worried about the whataboutism. Reality stands out to those seeking reality. It’s well past time to stop soft-selling this stuff over worries about how the worst people will react. Trust that the best people will figure it out, or give up on democracy. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/311 "2023-09-29T21:23:49Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Anyone who is actually looking for facts will see the obvious differences. Anyone else was likely never going to vote fir Biden anyways. This is why I’m not worried about the whataboutism. Reality stands out to those seeking reality. It’s well past time to stop soft-selling this stuff over worries about how the worst people will react. Trust that the best people will figure it out, or give up on democracy. But my fear is that there are too many swing state voters like my coworker who won’t vote for Trump but could be persuaded to not vote at all because they believe Biden is corrupt, too. They’re not “the worst people” – I have no illusions about changing MAGAts’ minds – but they’re just not motivated to dig any deeper than what they hear on the news while they’re making dinner. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2023, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/312 "2023-09-29T23:10:42Z")
If a legitimate swing voter can’t see the difference, we’re doomed. ---
**Author:** ![TeroSunbear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terosunbear/32/14748_2.png) [@TeroSunbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeroSunbear)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/313 "2023-10-01T12:52:38Z")
It’s quite amazing that people bother to show up to vote at all, if the final decision is based on a single TikTok vieo. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2023, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/314 "2023-10-01T19:15:39Z")
> [@TeroSunbear](#): > > if the final decision is based on a single TikTok vieo. Reddit, not tiktak. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/315 "2023-12-13T14:20:01Z")
The House will vote today to formalize the impeachment inquiry into President Biden, with formerly skittish swing district Republicans expected to vote in favor. > **[Analysis | The retribution impeachment](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/12/13/retribution-impeachment/)** > > In today’s edition … An update on border, Ukraine talks … NEWS: Bipartisan, bicameral movement on paid family leave … What we’re watching: Fed meeting concludes … About the Judicial Conference … DeSantis staffers blocked release of travel records,... ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/316 "2023-12-13T15:12:07Z")
I’m sure they’ll come up with specific high crimes and misdemeanors any day now. But first, impeachment! ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/317 "2023-12-13T15:15:18Z")
So just like Clinton and Trump and they were never … oh wait, bad analogy. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/318 "2023-12-13T15:40:11Z")
I mean, even with Clinton, by the time they got to the actual impeachment, they at least had specific crimes they were talking about. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/319 "2023-12-13T15:42:26Z")
I think I would stand up and applaud if they find Biden guilty of the same ‘crime’. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/320 "2023-12-13T17:26:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > But first, impeachment “No, no!” said the Queen. “Sentence first—verdict afterwards.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=17)