# "House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden" **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 12, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995 "2023-09-12T16:17:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/321 "2023-12-13T23:01:39Z")
It’s on. They’ve voted, and they still have no specific beef. What a joke Republicans are. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/322 "2023-12-13T23:25:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > They’ve voted, and they still have no specific beef. What a joke Republicans are. I posted this in another thread. Probably belongs here. > **[House votes to formalize Biden impeachment inquiry, escalating GOP probe](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-impeachment-inquiry-house-vote-today/)** > > Republicans have said that formalizing the inquiry would give them leverage in court as they demand documents and witness testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/323 "2023-12-13T23:28:35Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > They’ve voted, and they still have no specific beef. I shouldn’t be surprised, but I am puzzled that they haven’t even been able to invent a plausible reason to impeach him. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/324 "2023-12-13T23:31:54Z")
Because there isn’t one. And most GOP House reps aren’t just dishonest and morally corrupt, but stupid as well. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/325 "2023-12-13T23:31:55Z")
Here’s what they’ve got. Publicly, at least: > **[Biden Family Investigation - United States House Committee on Oversight and...](https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/)** > > United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability Surprisingly, Treasury and other departments are now cooperating and turning over suspicious activity reports. The National Archives agreed to turn over all the E-mails Joe allegedly wrote to Hunter’s partners under a pseudonym. Joe Biden claimed there is an ‘absolute firewall’ between him and his son’s businesses. He claimed he had never spoken to any of Hunter’s business partners or customers, and that he knows nothing at all about his son’d business dealings. He was lying. He lied againt he other day when asked about it. But the evidence is clear that Joe met with various Hunter clients and associates over 20 times. The line that there is absolutely no evidence tying Joe to Hunter’s business is just a Democratic talking point. There is PLENTY of evidence. It’s documented in those pages. The evidence is not yet dispositive, and Biden is innocent until proven guilty, but there IS evidence. Just not proof. That’s what investigations are for. The big mystery, if you think this was all legit, is “What exactly was Hunter selling?” What was the product? What value were they bringing to the people who sent them millions? The answer is that they were selling access to Joe. Devon Archer says it was just the ‘appearance’ of access. Either way, it’s influence peddling in foreign countries, and Joe Biden appears to have known all about it and probably profited from it. But even if he didn’t personally profit, his family did. And that’s all you need. The notion that nothing was wrong unless money went into Joe’s pocket directly was always a smokescreen. Helping your kids is just as corrupt as helping yourelf, if that’s what he did. What needs to be established is what was offered to those foreign nationals, and did Joe deliver on any of it? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/326 "2023-12-13T23:33:59Z")
oh, god, here we go. Let’s just put a pin in this and see how it all plays out. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/327 "2023-12-13T23:34:51Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Joe Biden claimed there is an ‘absolute firewall’ between him and his son’s businesses. He claimed he had never spoken to any of Hunter’s business partners or customers, and that he knows nothing at all about his son’d business dealings. He was lying. He lied againt he other day when asked about it. But the evidence is clear that Joe met with various Hunter clients and associates over 20 times. Cite or withdraw. Cite for every single sentence here. I don’t accept anything you say about this without a cite, and be specific. > [@](#): > > The line that there is absolutely no evidence tying Joe to Hunter’s business is just a Democratic talking point. There is PLENTY of evidence. It’s documented in those pages. The evidence is not yet dispositive, and Biden is innocent until proven guilty, but there IS evidence. Just not proof. That’s what investigations are for. Cite a single piece of evidence. Every time you’ve tried this before, it’s been the same bullshit GOP lies. Not a shred of actual evidence. > [@](#): > > The big mystery, if you think this was all legit, is “What exactly was Hunter selling?” What was the product? What value were they bringing to the people who sent them millions? The answer is that they were selling access to Joe. Devon Archer says it was just the ‘appearance’ of access. Either way, it’s influence peddling in foreign countries, and Joe Biden appears to have known all about it and probably profited from it. Cite for any of this (other than that Hunter was a bullshit artist, which both isn’t illegal and doesn’t implicate Joe in any way). > [@](#): > > But even if he didn’t personally profit, his family did. And that’s all you need. The notion that nothing was wrong unless money went into Joe’s pocket directly was always a smokescreen. Helping your kids is just as corrupt as helping yourelf, if that’s what he did. What needs to be established is what was offered to those foreign nationals, and did Joe deliver on any of it? Helping kids is corrupt? Does that mean I’m corrupt for paying for my toddler’s Montessori daycare? This is such a ridiculous claim that asking for a cite is pointless. This is just more baseless bullshit, relying on the same baseless GOP bullshit that’s been debunked time and time again. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/328 "2023-12-13T23:37:37Z")
I have a confession to make. I paid off my daughters car when I sold my house. I know I’m a bad person for doing this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/329 "2023-12-13T23:40:27Z")
$20 says Sam repeats the same baseless GOP bullshit from earlier in this thread, which was refuted and debunked piece by bullshit piece. None of it was actual evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. Not a single bit. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/330 "2023-12-13T23:41:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite or withdraw. A google search for “Joe Biden” and “absolute firewall” gets almost no results. The only one that’s even relevant to this topic is an interview with somebody from the Washington Examiner. So I’m assuming Sam is just parroting that interview. Relevant bit is at 10:40. > **[Washington Journal: Sarah Bedford Discusses House GOP & Biden Family...](https://www.c-span.org/video/?532186-3%2Fsarah-bedford-house-republicans-biden-family-investigations)** > > Sarah Bedford talked about House Republican efforts to open an impeachment inquiry into President Biden and the Hunter Biden investigation. I did **not** watch the whole thing, but in that portion of the clip, that lady is also saying a lot of stuff about having evidence without actually providing evidence. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/331 "2023-12-13T23:48:40Z")
Just as a quick recap from earlier in the thread, Sam frequently shared the GOP House committee’s lies as cites. I and others showed many instances proving these claims by the GOP House committee were indeed false and baseless, and asked Sam here to show the actual documents (NOT the GOP claims about the documents), with actual quotes, that showed the supposed wrongdoing: > [@"House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/225): > > When you offer zero cites, and cites you linked earlier were demonstrated to be dishonest or otherwise inaccurate, you can’t possibly expect us to just accept your uncited claims about the Bidens. If you’re gonna make claims about the Bidens, link to the SPECIFIC documents, and the SPECIFIC words, you think support these claims. Otherwise you’re offering nothing. Sam responded here, saying “it’s suppertime” and he’d provide the actual details later: > [@"House to start an impeachment inquiry into President Biden"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/227): > > It’s suppertime here. I’ll provide more info later. But you know, it’s all easily available out there. Suppertime has apparently lasted 3 months, since Sam never actually provided those details. Just more GOP House committee lies. Once again, Sam, the GOP House committee has lied with every pronouncement about the documents they have made. Looking at the actual documents disproves every claim of wrongdoing they make. If you disagree, cite to the actual documents, with the specific claims about the wrongdoing. The specific words. NOT the committee’s claims about the documents, but the documents themselves. Otherwise it’s the same old bullshit you’ve been offering for months. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/332 "2023-12-13T23:54:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Cite or withdraw. Here you go: > **[Biden spoke with son's business associates numerous times, former partner...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/biden-spoke-sons-business-associates-numerous-former-partner-tells-law-rcna97410)** > > Rep. Daniel Goldman said Devon Archer told lawmakers that Hunter Biden put his father on speakerphone with business partners and others about 20 times over 10 years, but they didn't talk business. > **[Evidence of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes...](https://oversight.house.gov/blog/evidence-of-joe-bidens-involvement-in-his-familys-influence-peddling-schemes/)** > > United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability > **[Hunter Biden sold 'illusion of access' to his father, former business partner...](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/hunter-biden-sold-illusion-of-access-to-his-father-former-business-partner-tells-congress)** > > Hunter Biden's former business partner has testified to Congress that President Biden was never directly involved in their financial dealings, even though Hunter would often put his famous father on speakerphone to impress clients and business... To clarify the bit about ‘not talking about business’, basically on those phone calls Archer says that Hunter would promise something that his dad could do for someone, and to show he had close access to his dad they’d get him on the phone. He’d talk about the weather, say hi to the nice peopple, and hang up. Nothing incriminating said on the call. But the clients would be reassured that Hunter really did have access to his Dad and Dad knew he was doing it. Archer called that ‘selling the illusion of access’. In other words, he claims they thought they were just defrauding people in other countries, not actually engaging in influence peddling. But of course he would say that, or he’s in deep trouble. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/333 "2023-12-13T23:55:49Z")
So your evidence for the claim about wrongdoing is that a guy said that Joe Biden talked about the weather to a few people? ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/334 "2023-12-13T23:56:19Z")
Oh bother. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/335 "2023-12-13T23:58:02Z")
I was providing cites for Joe talking to Hunter’s associates more than 20 times, when Joe has been categorically stating since before the election that he has never, ever talked to Hunter about his business dealings, doesn’t know what his son does, and had never met any associates or clients. Do I need to link to the pictures of Joe with Hunter’s clients? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/336 "2023-12-13T23:59:01Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Joe has been categorically stating since before the election that he has never, ever talked to Hunter about his business dealings, doesn’t know what his son does, and had never met any associates or clients. Let’s start with a cite for each of these claims. Every single one. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/337 "2023-12-14T00:07:19Z")
Let’s not. I’m not playing games with you anymore. These things are common knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/338 "2023-12-14T00:10:41Z")
Because you have no actual cites. Just bullshit and lies from Republican House liars. You’re not even willing to provide cites for what you claim is common knowledge! It’s already been debunked, in this thread and others. The GOP House committee takes mundane documents and testimony and lies about it, over and over, to slander the president. And you repeat these lies, even after they’re shown to be lies. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/339 "2023-12-14T00:11:48Z")
They aren’t common knowledge to me, FWIW. And I stay pretty informed on national politics. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995/340 "2023-12-14T00:16:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > These things are common knowledge. To those who listen to Newsmax or Infowars. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/house-to-start-an-impeachment-inquiry-into-president-biden/989995.md?page=18)